Bard says the Bambu X1c swaps filaments faster than Prusa XL  

RE: Bard says the Bambu X1c swaps filaments faster than Prusa XL

I'll never fully understand folk's compulsion to recruit as many people as possible to validate a decision they've made, especially one as ultimately unimportant as which 3d printer they have decided (not) to buy.  I do feel for David and his very frustrating and costly experience, as there seems to be some kind of psychological road block standing in the way of him letting go and quietly moving on with a different product.  The jest above about the bounty checks gave me a chuckle, but it does seem that of those who feel they have been let down by Prusa in the last couple years, many have turned so aggressively against the company that it seems they would celebrate it's failure.  This seems silly to me as I believe most people (not just on this forum) would have to agree that the industry would be quite negatively impacted if Prusa were absent from it.  Something is clearly causing people to take hard sides on the matter, though.  Even users who are getting great results out of the XL, lauding it as a printer that is providing them a level of quality, material efficiency, and utility beyond anything else currently available, won't let an opportunity pass without remarking about the "clueless people being led by a clueless leader" on this forum.  As a fairly new 3d printing hobbyist, I'm really thankful to the many forum users here who are willing to offer level headed, untainted help to each other here, despite vastly differing experience levels and investments in the hobby.  Also to the 'few' youtube folks who are comfortable acknowledging the challenges while collaborating toward solutions rather than stopping at every chance to take a petty dig at one side or the other.  Robert Cowan comes to mind as a great example someone willing to simply educate without pettiness.  

Whether or not my own printer continues to meet my needs long into the future, I expect Prusa will be fine.  I suspect many of the CQ and CS issues that folks are having is a direct reflection of the demand for Prusa products and their struggle to meet that demand.  If demand drops off because some of those on the fence decide to go elsewhere, I believe they'll still be turning a profit and will retain their customers who appreciate the attempt to adhere to a more open core philosophy.  

I genuinely hope David can find whatever peace he's looking for on this matter.

-J

RE: Bard says the Bambu X1c swaps filaments faster than Prusa XL

Well stated. People have different needs and different tastes / uses. As well ups and downs with experiences. Hopefully everyone finds what they are looking for and get what they need in the end. Share the knowledge and keep printing!

RE: Bard says the Bambu X1c swaps filaments faster than Prusa XL

Prusa XL,, 5 tool head is way faster when it comes multicolor printing vs a Bambu printer. That data is based on slicer information. 

RE: Bard says the Bambu X1c swaps filaments faster than Prusa XL

I have both an X1C and an XL 5 head and Bards claims are ridiculous.  The XL swaps in a couple seconds, not to mention how much filament the X1C wastes.  
Now there is a use case for the X1C to be sure.  It's a fantastic printer.  But you simply cannot compare the two.  

Posted by: @seattledavid

Bard claims that the Bambu X1c swaps filaments faster than Prusa XL. Is this true? Here is the statement Bard made:

The Bambu Lab X1C AMS and Prusa XL are both excellent 3D printers with their own strengths and weaknesses. When it comes to filament swapping, the Bambu Lab X1C AMS has a clear advantage. It can swap filaments in around 30 seconds, while the Prusa XL's tool changer takes around 45 seconds. This is because the X1C AMS uses a filament buffer system that keeps a constant supply of filament ready for the printer, while the Prusa XL's tool changer has to physically move each toolhead in and out of position.

Here is a table that summarizes the filament swapping times for the two printers:

As you can see, the Bambu Lab X1C AMS is significantly faster at swapping filaments than the Prusa XL. This can be a major advantage for prints that require multiple filament colors or materials.

In addition to being faster, the Bambu Lab X1C AMS is also more versatile than the Prusa XL's tool changer. It can handle up to 16 different filaments, while the Prusa XL's tool changer can only handle up to five. This means that the X1C AMS can be used to print a wider variety of objects.

Overall, the Bambu Lab X1C AMS is the clear winner when it comes to filament swapping. It is faster, more versatile,and can handle more filaments than the Prusa XL's tool changer. If you are looking for a printer that can handle a wide variety of prints, then the Bambu Lab X1C AMS is a great option.

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The quality of AI content scales with the popularity of the topic and how much material is out there on the topic asked. The more obscure it gets the worse the quality and accuracy. The Prusa XL is a pretty obscure topic in the larger picture. 

I wonder why someone would not simply verify that Bard fairy tale by loading a multicolour print file into compatible slicers and slice with standard profiles for each, the XL and the Bambulab X1c. At least Prusaslicer is pretty accurate as far as printing times go. 

There are also youtube videos out there showing you tool changes life in action. Take the time yourself if you like. 45sec is absolutely ridiculous. I could imagine that data about MMU and XL were mixed and mashed up in that AI response, or the time stated was simply halucinated straight away. 

RE: Bard says the Bambu X1c swaps filaments faster than Prusa XL

As a rule of thumb, if you struggle finding much information on Google and/or reddit on the matter, chances are that AI will respond with random nonsense as well. Nicely written and credible looking random nonsense that is, but nonsense nonetheless.  

RE: Bard says the Bambu X1c swaps filaments faster than Prusa XL

"I wasn’t asking for zealous enthusiasm from the Prusa fan club. I was looking for factual information to base a decision on. Also, I was not looking for estimates, I was hoping somebody would know the actual time for an XL tool change from start to finish."

Typically 3-5 seconds to change tools, as part of a normal print. If you want to change tools manually, specifying the parking of an already selected tool and then selection and mounting of another tool, plus the time to heat up from idle to extrusion temperature, then 30-45 seconds might be realistic. But that's not what happens in real life - in real life the next tool is already preheated to temperature, is collected, and is available to print immediately.

"Of course there are intrinsic benefits and drawbacks of tool hangers. Those are beyond the scope of my question. Tool changers are not all a panacea, especially when printing PLA because of the cracking PLA problem inherent in any tool changer implementation (where PLA becomes brittle and breaks after a surprisingly short time.)"

All my filament is carefully pre-dried on receipt; kept in sealed storage with humidity monitoring and silica gel; and then printed from dry box (the AMS on my X1-C; and a 6-reel dry box for my Prusa XL 5T). No - never any problem with this "cracking" that you describe. Experience from my early days of use suggest that PLA becomes difficult in all sorts of other ways before brittleness becomes an issue, such as dribbling, hairy print, bed adhesion problems, deteriorating inter-layer adhesion. Certainly NEVER an issue for filament that has spent a few days standing in a tube. This is a non-problem.

"I had a Prusa XL5 but it catastrophically failed before I was able to do any tool changes or timing. I need to make a decision on whether to buy a replacement XL5 or go with a Bambu X1c AMS. Hence, my question."

Nuclear strike on your house? Direct hit on your machine from wild rocket fire, or a successful demolition by a wrecker crew? Honestly bro, how unlucky to be poised on the edge of a tool change and see your printer destroyed in that way, just prior. No wonder you would be looking at alternatives!

Less tongue in cheek, unless you are doing a lot of multi material and/or multi coloured printing, save yourself $5,000 and get the X1-C. But if you want to do bigger prints with less post printing reassembly; if you want to do multi material printing; and particularly if you want to do a lot of multi colour printing, the Prusa XL is way ahead. Regardless of what some random AI might mistakenly harvest from the Net