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NotJannet
(@notjannet)
Eminent Member
Printing without running bed mesh leveling.

Is it easy to stop a print from doing the bed mesh leveling routine?

For example I run one print with bed levelling, can I then do the next print without?
Will it keep the settings from the previous check?

I know on a printer I've had in the past, it's just a single g-code command that activates it, is this still the case with Prusa printers?
I'm unsure why it would be any different, but thought I'd ask just in case.

(I've asked in this section as I'll be getting a Mini ...eventually)

Posted : 21/01/2020 1:07 pm
Benji
(@benji)
Estimable Member
RE: Printing without running bed mesh leveling.

Take a look at your output GCode or in PrusaSlicer > Printer Settings > Custom G-code and look for:

G29 ; mesh bed leveling

Comment that line out and you will no longer MBL test before a print.

Having said that, I think it's a bad idea and it doesn't take long compared to the time of an actual print.

Prusa Mini Silicone Bed Leveling Mod: https://bbbenji.github.io/PMSBLM/

Posted : 22/01/2020 3:15 pm
karl-herbert
(@karl-herbert)
Illustrious Member
RE: Printing without running bed mesh leveling.

@asdf-tgz

i agree! Compared to the printing time, the bed leveling takes very little time and helps up to a certain deviation for better layer adhesion.

Statt zu klagen, dass wir nicht alles haben, was wir wollen, sollten wir lieber dankbar sein, dass wir nicht alles bekommen, was wir verdienen.

Posted : 22/01/2020 8:01 pm
NotJannet
(@notjannet)
Eminent Member
Topic starter answered:
RE: Printing without running bed mesh leveling.
Posted by: @asdf-tgz

Take a look at your output GCode or in PrusaSlicer > Printer Settings > Custom G-code and look for:

G29 ; mesh bed leveling

Comment that line out and you will no longer MBL test before a print.

Having said that, I think it's a bad idea and it doesn't take long compared to the time of an actual print.

Great. I was hoping it was that simple, thank you.

I'm not doing it for time saving, it's to print multiple colors on the first layer before continuing to build up the model after.
The idea isn't my own, it came from MakeAnything on youtube:

I tried this technique in the past by modelling up a phone case as separate parts then print each one in turn without removing the previous print. The downside being that the previous print might get in the way when mesh bed levelling, which my old printer didn't have.

The result: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqkna7vAcUM/ (my instagram)

I look forward to trying this on a capable printer 🙂

Posted : 22/01/2020 11:24 pm
JoanTabb
(@joantabb)
Veteran Member Moderator
RE: Printing without running bed mesh leveling.

how many layers of each colour do you have?

Regards Joan

I try to make safe suggestions,You should understand the context and ensure you are happy that they are safe before attempting to apply my suggestions, what you do, is YOUR responsibility. Location Halifax UK

Posted : 23/01/2020 1:18 am
NotJannet
(@notjannet)
Eminent Member
Topic starter answered:
RE: Printing without running bed mesh leveling.

@joantabb

Just the first layer has all the colours  🙂

Posted : 23/01/2020 1:23 am
JoanTabb
(@joantabb)
Veteran Member Moderator
RE: Printing without running bed mesh leveling.

there are potential issues with trying to engineer several individual gcodes  and expecting them to mesh together to make a single print...

i would expect it to be easier to load all of the parts into prusa slicer as a pseudo multimaterial job, and then manage the filament changes manually...

that is how I did this print


I used the 'M600' filament change process to change the colours within the same layer... 

there are a couple of ways to do this, let me know if you would like to know my way! 

 

regards Joan

I try to make safe suggestions,You should understand the context and ensure you are happy that they are safe before attempting to apply my suggestions, what you do, is YOUR responsibility. Location Halifax UK

Posted : 23/01/2020 1:28 am
NotJannet
(@notjannet)
Eminent Member
Topic starter answered:
RE: Printing without running bed mesh leveling.

@joantabb

I had considered this being a possibility, I'd be very interested in hearing how you did it.

Posted : 23/01/2020 1:37 am
JoanTabb
(@joantabb)
Veteran Member Moderator
RE: Printing without running bed mesh leveling.

Briefly 

create a model with all parts in all colours and you should be able to save individual STL's  for each element  so you should end up with say:-

1, Main case (with cutouts for colour trim) ( or make the trims 'Modifiers ' and leave the main case without cutouts)

2, trim a

3, trim b

4, trim c

5 , trim d...

Open slicer for the mini and add four more extruders on the mini profile, and set the Tool change Gcode to M600

either load all five parts into prusa slicer at once  or load one part and add the remainder parts
(If you add all parts at once, the slicer will ask if you want to consider them as a multimaterial model, answer YES)

for the model below, I have used a blank box lid, and the colour embellishments are set as modifiers which effectively cut themselves into the main body of the lid...  (as if by Magic)
 

then allocate the different filament colours to each part... (You have to be in advanced or expert mode)
and you should get something like above

if you save the G code and load filament 1 (assuming it is on the first layer, ) then start the print, and...

the printer should print all of the grey on the first layer
then the M600 process should activate and move the extruder to the corner of the build plate and ask you to remove the filament, then it should ask for confirmation of success, 

then it should ask you to insert the next filament (Blue, in this case) follow the instructions on screen, and the printer should squirt some filament out on the corner of the build plate, catch this with pliers or tweezers but DON'T pull it off, just hold it, and confirm that the colour has changed successfully. then the printer will resume printing leaving you with all of the waste attached to your pliers... (If you pull the waste off early, then when the printer resumes, there will be a small squirt of filament that you missed and it will get deposited on the model making a mess)
the printer will print filaments in order (asking you to change between sections) so Red will be next, then Green and finally purple...  in this model the printer will print all of the purple on the second layer then ask for changes to grey, blue, red  and green, then go to the third layer, print the green and then  ask for grey, Blue, red, green and purple... and so on until the colour changes are finished...   but as you intend to make all of the colour changes on the first layer, you will not have to deal with these additional colour changes. 

the model above is an actual case lid, that I normally print on a Mk3 with MMU2, so the letters and panels are about 1mm thick, however if you make your colour patches 0.2mm thick they will appear on the first layer only...   
I have included the 3MF file for you to play with

p.s. if you need more colours you can add more extruders...  🙂   

I hope this helps, regards Joan

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I try to make safe suggestions,You should understand the context and ensure you are happy that they are safe before attempting to apply my suggestions, what you do, is YOUR responsibility. Location Halifax UK

Posted : 23/01/2020 3:34 am
Crawlerin
(@crawlerin)
Prominent Member
RE: Printing without running bed mesh leveling.

Thanks Joan, bookmarking this thread.

@notjanney

M600 is totally broken in current firmware 4.0.1, loading filament does not work properly in general (it does not load full length of filament it is supposed to, it asks you only once if it purged correct color, then continues printing air if mid-print, otherwise you have to inch filament by loading and purging again and again until it reaches nozzle).

Wait for next firmware version, if not fixed in 4.0.2 then some other. I need M600 too for one of my projects.

Posted : 23/01/2020 1:10 pm
JoanTabb
(@joantabb)
Veteran Member Moderator
RE: Printing without running bed mesh leveling.

@crawlerin

oh dear...  
I didn't know that, because I don't have a mini...

M600 worked Ok!, last time I used it on my mk2 with mmu, which also has Bowden extruder

It will get fixed!

regards Joan

I try to make safe suggestions,You should understand the context and ensure you are happy that they are safe before attempting to apply my suggestions, what you do, is YOUR responsibility. Location Halifax UK

Posted : 23/01/2020 1:29 pm
NotJannet
(@notjannet)
Eminent Member
Topic starter answered:
RE: Printing without running bed mesh leveling.

@crawlerin

Thanks for pointing that out o:

I'm not expecting my mini to miraculously appear any time soon, so who knows, it might be fixed before it gets shipped out 😉

@joantabb

Thank you for the explanation, that's a great idea & a technique I'll definitely try out sometime. I hadnt even considered using it throughout a print, not sure I have the patience for any more than a single layer of changes 😉 It could be used for swapping out simple interface layers if I had some soluble material. 🤔 The possibilities...

Posted : 23/01/2020 2:46 pm
JoanTabb
(@joantabb)
Veteran Member Moderator
RE: Printing without running bed mesh leveling.

@notjannet

3d printing is Imagineering...   if you can Imagine and design it, you can try printing it!

regards Joan

I try to make safe suggestions,You should understand the context and ensure you are happy that they are safe before attempting to apply my suggestions, what you do, is YOUR responsibility. Location Halifax UK

Posted : 23/01/2020 4:23 pm
Crawlerin
(@crawlerin)
Prominent Member
RE: Printing without running bed mesh leveling.

Yes it will get fixed eventually in firmware. Gleaning to GitHub, next version should at least ask whether color is correct over and over until user confirms, plus possibly some other fixes to filament loading and unloading.

Posted : 23/01/2020 5:06 pm
Maurice0822
(@maurice0822)
Member
RE: Printing without running bed mesh leveling.

Hello Joan,

Can you please repost the 3mf file.  I would like to experiment with this and learn this method.

Thanks,

Mauricio

Posted : 31/10/2023 6:02 pm
JoanTabb
(@joantabb)
Veteran Member Moderator
RE: Printing without running bed mesh leveling.

Hi Mauricio, 
I don't recall doing a .3mf relating to Printing without Mesh bed levelling. 

I believe I was talking about enabling multiple colours within a layer. 

this old post may help

https://forum.prusa3d.com/forum/original-prusa-i3-mk3s-mk3-how-do-i-print-this-printing-help/acting-as-my-own-mmu/#post-100939

regards Joan

I try to make safe suggestions,You should understand the context and ensure you are happy that they are safe before attempting to apply my suggestions, what you do, is YOUR responsibility. Location Halifax UK

Posted : 31/10/2023 7:56 pm
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