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kevman
(@kevman)
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RE: Different Hotends
Posted by: @strandedbandit

@clemens-m

see i hat grave extrusion problems, tried all the solutions going around, even upgraded to a bondtech heatbreak. nothing really seemed to give me more than 2 hours of solid printing until the extruder started clicking again due to some clot in the hotend. i'll tinker some more, learning my ways around that machine but if all else fails, i'll try and upgrade to a different hotend. 

I found that even the bondtech heatbreak suffered the same PTFE tube shrinking. I ended up taking my PTFE tube from the Mini and cutting it to a bit of length longer than the bondtech one and using that with the bondtech heatbreak. Quite honestly I could have probably just gotten a longer PTFE tube on the stock heatbreak and it would have worked I am guessing. I beleve that this problem will come back again, and even faster after long prints >2hrs .

Posted : 10/06/2020 1:56 pm
GrimmWinters
(@grimmwinters)
Trusted Member
Topic starter answered:
RE: Different Hotends

@kevman

jeah, that's my fear also. i guess, we'll see in a bit. i'll print one of the mounts for a v6 hotend to be prepared if it fails too often 🙂

Posted : 10/06/2020 7:28 pm
Crawlerin
(@crawlerin)
Prominent Member
RE: Different Hotends

Here’s also E3D v6 hotend mount on MINI:

https://www.prusaprinters.org/prints/28046-prusa-mini-v6-conversion-upgrade
It does not look overly complicated. 

Posted : 13/06/2020 12:56 pm
Crawlerin
(@crawlerin)
Prominent Member
RE: Different Hotends

...aaand Mosquito too.

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4201537
but you may need to figure screws yourself.

Posted : 13/06/2020 1:41 pm
GrimmWinters
(@grimmwinters)
Trusted Member
Topic starter answered:
RE: Different Hotends

@crawlerin

Thanks, i still have to wait for a new heater block to even print a mount for a new hotend 😁

Posted : 13/06/2020 2:57 pm
Crawlerin
(@crawlerin)
Prominent Member
RE: Different Hotends

@strandedbandit

That's a very Chicken and Egg problem if I have ever seen one 😀 Hope you get it soon and have it repaired.

Posted : 13/06/2020 10:08 pm
karl-herbert
(@karl-herbert)
Illustrious Member
RE: Different Hotends

@strandedbandit

in your case a second printer would be helpful. i3 repairs mini and vice versa mini repairs i3. This resolves the chicken egg problem 😋 

Statt zu klagen, dass wir nicht alles haben, was wir wollen, sollten wir lieber dankbar sein, dass wir nicht alles bekommen, was wir verdienen.

Posted : 13/06/2020 11:04 pm
JASII
(@jasii)
Estimable Member
RE: Different Hotends

@karl-herbert

Which, I believe, makes the i3 the chicken, and the Mini the egg. 🙂

05/2017 - MK2s - 09/2017 +MMUv1
12/2017 - MK3 - 07/2018 + Mosquito hotend
12/2018 - ↑MK3s w/MMU2s
01/2019 - ↑MK2.5s w/MMU2s
03/2020 - Mini
06/2020 - MK3s/Mini + Copperhead Hotend
Inventor - Solidworks - OctoPrint/x3(Pi3B)

Posted : 14/06/2020 12:54 am
GrimmWinters
(@grimmwinters)
Trusted Member
Topic starter answered:
RE: Different Hotends

Sadly my Coop is too small for a whole Flock of chickens (as usual taking taking the metaphor too far) 😀

I guess after waiting almost half a year for the mini, i can go at least two weaks without a hotend. 

This whole experience is very Charakter building. I feel zen. 😀

Posted : 14/06/2020 5:22 am
GrimmWinters
(@grimmwinters)
Trusted Member
Topic starter answered:
RE: Different Hotends

@jasii

almost 2 weeks now 😀 are you still satisfied with the copperhead on a mini? and in case one was to buy said copperhead. one should go for a reprap heatsink and heatbreak, right?

best regards.

edit: and furthermore: do the heating cartrige and thermistor of the mini fit in the copperhead heaterblock just like that?

This post was modified 2 years ago by GrimmWinters
Posted : 15/06/2020 3:04 pm
cwbullet
(@cwbullet)
RE: Different Hotends

@strandedbandit

The copperhead is very nice.  No jams but time will tell.  

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Posted : 15/06/2020 3:43 pm
JASII
(@jasii)
Estimable Member
RE: Different Hotends

@strandedbandit

Yes, I am satisfied. I took my Copperhead/Mini mount apart this weekend to check for any mounting part melt areas. None were found.

The Copperhead configuration can get a bit confusing. Here's what I know:

  • If you want to use either of the Copperhead Heat Sinks then only the Copperhead 'Standard' heat break is compatible
  • The 'RepRap 1.75' heat break is designed to screw into the existing E3D V6 heat sink
  • I used the Groove Mount heat sink because the Screw Mount was not available yet
  • I am waiting for Screw Mount to design Mini mount but think I would go with Groove Mount (same price - MKx compatible)
  • I used the existing heat cartridge and thermistor, no issues (other than trying to get them out of the Prusa heat block!)
  • If possible, go with the single Bowden tube design by adding passthru festo on extruder

On my mount design, I am debating making a different, simplier, mount that has the Copperhead in 'normal' orientation with airflow left to right. This, however, would require an added gcode command to reset home, -Y axis, in the slicer after bed leveling, before print. If you forget, the priming bead prints in air! That might be a frustrating issue.

Any more questions, or opinions, let me know.

Jerry.

P.S. - to reinforce, from Slice Engineering website:

PLEASE NOTE: The Copperhead™ Heat Sink is only compatible with the Copperhead™ Standard Heat Break because our Copperhead™ Heat Sink uses a shank and collar mechanism (no threading) to hold onto the heat break.

Ref: https://www.sliceengineering.com/products/copperhead%E2%84%A2

 

05/2017 - MK2s - 09/2017 +MMUv1
12/2017 - MK3 - 07/2018 + Mosquito hotend
12/2018 - ↑MK3s w/MMU2s
01/2019 - ↑MK2.5s w/MMU2s
03/2020 - Mini
06/2020 - MK3s/Mini + Copperhead Hotend
Inventor - Solidworks - OctoPrint/x3(Pi3B)

Posted : 15/06/2020 4:43 pm
kevman
(@kevman)
Estimable Member
RE: Different Hotends
Posted by: @jasii

@strandedbandit

Yes, I am satisfied. I took my Copperhead/Mini mount apart this weekend to check for any mounting part melt areas. None were found.

The Copperhead configuration can get a bit confusing. Here's what I know:

  • If you want to use either of the Copperhead Heat Sinks then only the Copperhead 'Standard' heat break is compatible
  • The 'RepRap 1.75' heat break is designed to screw into the existing E3D V6 heat sink
  • I used the Groove Mount heat sink because the Screw Mount was not available yet
  • I am waiting for Screw Mount to design Mini mount but think I would go with Groove Mount (same price - MKx compatible)
  • I used the existing heat cartridge and thermistor, no issues (other than trying to get them out of the Prusa heat block!)
  • If possible, go with the single Bowden tube design by adding passthru festo on extruder

On my mount design, I am debating making a different, simplier, mount that has the Copperhead in 'normal' orientation with airflow left to right. This, however, would require an added gcode command to reset home, -Y axis, in the slicer after bed leveling, before print. If you forget, the priming bead prints in air! That might be a frustrating issue.

Any more questions, or opinions, let me know.

Jerry.

P.S. - to reinforce, from Slice Engineering website:

PLEASE NOTE: The Copperhead™ Heat Sink is only compatible with the Copperhead™ Standard Heat Break because our Copperhead™ Heat Sink uses a shank and collar mechanism (no threading) to hold onto the heat break.

Ref: https://www.sliceengineering.com/products/copperhead%E2%84%A2

 

Thank you for posting this. I am thinking about diving down this path, I hate that I can't make the Mini work out of the box, but this might be a good solution. Where did you get the pasthrough festo? I am a bit new to this hobby so it might be a basic question that I am uninformed on. 

Posted : 15/06/2020 5:08 pm
GrimmWinters
(@grimmwinters)
Trusted Member
Topic starter answered:
RE: Different Hotends

@jasii

great. That's a very helpful post! Thanks so much for this. I'll follow your updates closely, should you be inclined to keep us posted :).

Eventually I'll upgrade either to a Copperhead or a Mosquito, going for a V6 just seems like an unnecessary intermediate step. If I'm to invest that much into that little machine I'll probably go for the Bondtech extruder update, too.

Posted : 15/06/2020 5:20 pm
JASII
(@jasii)
Estimable Member
RE: Different Hotends

@kevman

"Thank you for posting this... Where did you get the pasthrough festo?"

I am in the US so I found them on Amazon. As happens, the title is accurate (M10) but the description is wrong (Thread: 6mm).  The Mini extruder is M8 so I made an adapter (M10-M8) which I will post along with the mount sometime this week. (Son is flying in from Czech today so busy week ahead)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IB81IHG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Note: I had use for the 10 (MMU2 upgrade on MKx). I do not know if there are smaller quantities out there. Just make sure it is a 'passthru' not just a 'straight fit', for 4mm OD tube.

05/2017 - MK2s - 09/2017 +MMUv1
12/2017 - MK3 - 07/2018 + Mosquito hotend
12/2018 - ↑MK3s w/MMU2s
01/2019 - ↑MK2.5s w/MMU2s
03/2020 - Mini
06/2020 - MK3s/Mini + Copperhead Hotend
Inventor - Solidworks - OctoPrint/x3(Pi3B)

Posted : 15/06/2020 5:48 pm
JeffL
(@jeffl)
Eminent Member
RE: Different Hotends

I made a MK3s hotend version for the mini

Posted : 20/06/2020 8:40 pm
karl-herbert
(@karl-herbert)
Illustrious Member
RE: Different Hotends

@jeffrey-l15

Very good idea and well done 👍 !

Would you like to publish it in prints?

Statt zu klagen, dass wir nicht alles haben, was wir wollen, sollten wir lieber dankbar sein, dass wir nicht alles bekommen, was wir verdienen.

Posted : 20/06/2020 9:53 pm
JeffL
(@jeffl)
Eminent Member
RE: Different Hotends
Posted by: @karl-herbert

@jeffrey-l15

Very good idea and well done 👍 !

Would you like to publish it in prints?

I am working on finalizing the pieces. I do plan to publish them.

Posted : 20/06/2020 10:08 pm
Woraphot
(@woraphot)
Active Member
RE: Different Hotends

 

Totally overkill but completely worth it.  I've been running this setup for a short while, around 50hrs or so print time. Printing mostly with PETG at the moment.  It has been performing flawlessly for me so far.  Bye bye heat creep.

Posted : 30/06/2020 3:07 pm
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 Fred
(@fred-4)
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RE: Different Hotends

@woraphot

 

Looks very nice.  What mount did you use?

 

Thanks,

Fred

Posted : 30/06/2020 7:46 pm
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