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Not interested myself in the INDX as it is. but I like to browse here now and then to see what's going on (or it isn't..). I just want to say that the website mentioned above is a very reliable shop where I purchase often filaments and spares. Never a single problem. Their pricing is, as a general rule, very similar to 3Djake and other European 3D printing websites. One caveat only, I learned to buy there only articles in stock. If the status says 'available in 6-10 days'.. forget it. This message can last months.
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I have no doubt they are legitimate, but that’s doesn’t stop the pricing here to be a bit cynical at 30% mark up on the Prusa asking price for something they likely won’t have in stock for months
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Well, they're Galicians, after all. 😘
Jokes aside, it's is indeed odd that price for the INDX, considering that their prices for most of the products ( filaments, printers and spares ) are on a pair with similar websites.
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Prusa has released a new short video
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They must have optimized priming (to re-establish stable filament flow) much better, or more aggressively. My Bambu H2D makes me wonder about the size of its prime tower -- even when using only one filament per nozzle, it spends quite some time and filament on laying down those priming layers.
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Cool little video. The 2 “competition” comparisons at the end, are people thinking Bambu vortex system and Snapmaker U1? Just guessing as they are generally uttered in the same breath… and one is a nozzle changer and the other a tool head changer.
Now describing something as “competition” in my mind would also mean the overall capabilities and pricing are comparable… which they are not 😂 worlds about. Closest comparison from a capabilities perspective would be 4tool core one indx to U1, but the core one is still double the price of the u1.
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A Mercedes also costs twice as much as a Hyundai.
By the way, the Vortek upgrade at Bambu costs almost or even more than the INDX that should be said.
Cool little video. The 2 “competition” comparisons at the end, are people thinking Bambu vortex system and Snapmaker U1? Just guessing as they are generally uttered in the same breath… and one is a nozzle changer and the other a tool head changer.
Now describing something as “competition” in my mind would also mean the overall capabilities and pricing are comparable… which they are not 😂 worlds about. Closest comparison from a capabilities perspective would be 4tool core one indx to U1, but the core one is still double the price of the u1.
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A Mercedes also costs twice as much as a Hyundai.
By the way, the Vortek upgrade at Bambu costs almost or even more than the INDX that should be said.
So you’re saying that if you buy a fully loaded core one L and then later on you buy an INDX, that that isn’t at least as expensive as buying an H2D and upgrading it to an H2C? I don’t think that that’s an accurate assessment…
H2D is $1750, $1999 if you get the AMS2 combo
Vortek upgrade is $799
Prusa Core One L is $2299
INDX upgrade (8 tools for the Core One+) is $1099
The Prusa is significantly more expensive… and that’s assuming the upgrade for the core one L is not more expensive than the normal core one plus.
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They must have optimized priming (to re-establish stable filament flow) much better, or more aggressively. My Bambu H2D makes me wonder about the size of its prime tower -- even when using only one filament per nozzle, it spends quite some time and filament on laying down those priming layers.
Yep, that’s certainly true. I have found that I can tell it to do a variety of things that makes that significantly better but there are times when I’m wondering why we’re priming so much when it’s probably not necessary at all.
it will be nice if they ever actually get INDX for the core 1+ out the door. Of course I need to save up another thousand bucks or so because it’s a very expensive printer.
The prices I quoted above did not include any sort of filament boxes or management, which are an additional cost… one of the things Prusa seems to make as a second thought, as opposed to a primary concern.
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H2D Combo 1949€
AMS 249€ because you need 2 pieces for Vortek.
835€ for Vortek
€3033
Core One L 1849€
INDX 899€
2748€ yes Prusa is cheaper there!
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I really depends then on your region... That said, you don't NEED an AMS2, but it's going to be problematic if you don't have one. Conversely, Prusa isn't handing you any sort of enclosed storage, so you are EASILY talking several hundred Euro more to have what amounts to an near apples-to-apples comparison.
Basically, I don't think your math stacks up if you are including the AMS2 for it's dual purpose as a conditioned storage box. (Granted, you really need two of them if you're getting an H2C...)
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Agreed, you need to add another $280 for the passive dry boxes. Plus you still don't have an actively heated chamber with the C1
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I can tell you with my original core one that the actively heated chamber wasn't so much of an issue shy of nylon... I never had a problem with things warping.
I picked up a P2S when it initially came out and thought generally, it was a good replacement, but the problem was that the not having an actively heated chamber tended to lead the things like polycarbonate warping.
then bambu up the game with the X2D, so I sold the P2S to a student for a good price and picked up one of those. I have it printing ABS right now and I did another job yesterday and it works flawlessly and it has a heated chamber. in the US, it's extremely difficult to beat that printer for the price.
I have no doubt in my mind that the core one L will probably print just about everything without any serious issues, even though it doesn't have a heated chamber. if it functions as well as the original core one that I used to have, I have a funny feeling it'll print beautifully.
but you make a really good point that you don't get a heated chamber and basically it's the same price as buying the top-of-the-line competitors product... humph
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H2D Combo 1949€
AMS 249€ because you need 2 pieces for Vortek.
835€ for Vortek
€3033
Core One L 1849€
INDX 899€
2748€ yes Prusa is cheaper there!
Why go for an H2D and an upgrade - why not go straight for an H2C - H2C AMS Combo 2,249 Euro + AMS2pro 289 Euro.
CoreOne though definitely a fair bit cheaper if you go for the kit and initially for only 4 INDX tools like I have - with the aim to upgrade later.
Also I suspect that the CoreOneL INDX is gone to be slightly more expensive than CoreOne Version.
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Also I suspect that the CoreOneL INDX is gone to be slightly more expensive than CoreOne Version.
I wonder if Prusa will subtract off the cost of the Nextruder?
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Also I suspect that the CoreOneL INDX is gone to be slightly more expensive than CoreOne Version.
I wonder if Prusa will subtract off the cost of the Nextruder?
that is a very good point... If you're buying it as an original unit with the INDX, the cost should be substantially lower. At least a few hundred bucks without the nextruder
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FWIW:
To be fair I was considering the upgrade path as that's going to apply to a lot of people... both the early adopters of the H2D and the Core One L.
in the US H2C combo is $2400...
currently that's basically the exact same price as the core one L without any extra
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I didn't buy into the Prusa eco system for getting just the most value out of the product, but also to (somewhat) support my "local" tech industry. This excuse has its limits, and the perceived stagnation and feature disparity has been stretching that excuse rather thin, in my opinion. On the other hand, the lack of political drama regarding cloud services and open source licenses has also been a plus.
Fingers crossed for the C1+INDX to end up a reliable, low maintenance workhorse printer for many years. I don't need a heated chamber for PLA, PETG, TPU, and PCCF. I already had filament drying and storage solutions that I can integrate into the C1 with just some PTFE hoses and tube fittings.
How much longer do you guys think non-Founders have to wait until we can order non 0.4 mm nozzle diameter tools? I don't want to miss another shortlived order window, and am looking forward to printing PLA miniatures with PETG support interfaces using 0.2 or 0.25 mm nozzles. It'd be cool to see if Full Spectrum color mixing is feasible with such tiny details. (I don't like painting...)
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How much longer do you guys think non-Founders have to wait until we can order non 0.4 mm nozzle diameter tools?
Still don't know when the Founder's Edition will ship even. So impossible to say.
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I will say I like the Prusa cloud ecosystem and do not trust the bambu one at all. I absolutely would prefer to be doing business with a EU company and it's one of the reasons I'm willing to pay a little bit more.
in some regards feature parody is probably the most difficult thing when it comes to the core series of printers...