RE: Can you use Layerneer on a Satin Print Sheet using PLA
From P6 of the Core One manual:
Operating Temperature Range: 18 °C - 38 °C
Here's hoping that the lower limit just means that the printer can't reach the high chamber temperatures for ABS etc. for lower room temperatures... 🙄
RE: Can you use Layerneer on a Satin Print Sheet using PLA
What has changed over the years is that sheets have become better, so glue stick or similar stuff is no longer needed — in most cases. But glue stick, magigoo, Layerneer, etc, are still as sticky as they used to be 🙂. So they act as both, an agent to help release prints from the sheet when it's cold and as an adhesion agent while printing. For PLA I pretty much never use it (it in my case is Layerneer), PCCF always (to keep it from sticking to the sheet), and with PETG I found that it can help with making fine details on the first layer stick better.
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RE: Can you use Layerneer on a Satin Print Sheet using PLA
I would test the build plate with a print first.
the latest textured build plate performed beautifully straight out of the packing.
I only wash the build plates if I know I have handled the build plate poorly, or adhesion becomes erratic (Always dry build plates immediately after washing)
More often than not, it's the corners of my build plate, where I handle the plate to flex it, that becomes contaminated...
I find Most prints are relatively small and don't reach the corners
regards Joan
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RE: Not all dishwashing soap is the same!
Wow! I had tried washing the plates with dishwashing soap, tried IPA90, beating my brain against the wall, but I could never get good adhesion without adding Magigoo, and that was still marginal. Finally, I found another thread that said to use Dawn Ultra dishwashing solution, and beware of other solutions that included softeners. Well, I had been using Palmolive which, as the commercial says, “Softens hands while you do dishes!” I’ll try again today with Dawn Ultra. I hope that turns out to be the key, but am a little embarrassed that I didn’t catch that sooner.
Bottom Line - Use Dawn, Dawn Blue, or Dawn Ultra…
RE: Can you use Layerneer on a Satin Print Sheet using PLA
I don't know. I used to be in the camp of "fragrant-free dish soap with least number of ingredients". But these days I just use whatever my wife bought and put on the kitchen sink 🙂 Doesn't seem to make a difference. But hopefully switching to Dawn will work for you. After all, it's 3D printing—-closer to voodoo than science 🙂
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RE: Can you use Layerneer on a Satin Print Sheet using PLA
We can't get Dawn where I live, but I did pick up some "generic green" dish soap which has worked really well for my printer. I made sure to look at the ingredients and make sure there are no additional lotions or anything in it (as far as I can tell at least).
RE: Can you use Layerneer on a Satin Print Sheet using PLA
In other countries "Dawn" has name "Fairy"
We can't get Dawn where I live, but I did pick up some "generic green" dish soap which has worked really well for my printer. I made sure to look at the ingredients and make sure there are no additional lotions or anything in it (as far as I can tell at least).
RE: Can you use Layerneer on a Satin Print Sheet using PLA
After thoroughly scrubbing the building plates with true blue Dawn, carefully drying them with virgin paper towels, handling with gloves, printing from the dryer, the adhesion seems to have improved just a little bit. Still curling on thin parts.
I’m starting to miss my Ender 3 with the glass bed. 😕
RE: Can you use Layerneer on a Satin Print Sheet using PLA
In other countries "Dawn" has name "Fairy"
We can't get Dawn where I live, but I did pick up some "generic green" dish soap which has worked really well for my printer. I made sure to look at the ingredients and make sure there are no additional lotions or anything in it (as far as I can tell at least).
Unfortunately the only fairy branded soap we have here are dishwasher tablets. We do however have Palmolive green which I'm pretty sure is similar to Dawn
Probably not a good idea to use Palmolive, I believe there are additives.
In most cases the very cheapest supermarket own-brand is fine, we generally suggest Dawn/Fairy because it's internationally available and we know the basic brand is OK.
Cheerio,
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The only other stuff I can get here in NZ has more additives than this does. We don't really have a store name brand here at the supermarkets. The joys of being a tiny country in the middle of the ocean. We get screwed every possible way when it comes to getting things here.
RE: Can you use Layerneer on a Satin Print Sheet using PLA
when you get a new print sheet, should you wash it with soap first so it can adhere properly?
@giorgio1 Layerneer works with PLA; you do not have to wash your sheets. I do wash my sheets before adding another layer of layerneer.
It is also true that I rarely have had to use it on MK4S and suspect the same with the Core One.
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RE: Can you use Layerneer on a Satin Print Sheet using PLA
I realize this has drifted slightly off topic, but still related to bed adhesion. I’ve had Mk4s for 6 weeks now, replaced my 2 yr old Ender 3. At first I was wowed by the potential speed, but have had constant issues with adhesion even at slower structural speeds. Now I’m thinking it has more to do with over cooling by the new nextruder fan. https://forum.prusa3d.com/forum/english-forum-original-prusa-i3-mk4s-assembly-and-first-prints-troubleshooting/too-much-part-cooling-after-upgrade-from-mk4-to-mk4s. The CoreOne shares the same fan, but maybe the enclosure helps regulate temps for better consistency? I’m still debating whether I want to upgrade to CoreOne or not.