What filament dryer to use?  

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Sunlu S4 is nice and convenient. I’m pleased with it.

was considering a Chitu Systems FilaPartner E1 Filament Dryer, but didn’t go for it

RE: What filament dryer to use?

What makes you think you need a filament dryer in the first instance?

I have never used one, and do not have one, to this day - never felt the need. Then again, I primarily use PLA anyways which isn't as absorbent in the first instance. 

I would consider the type of materials you intend to print with, and take it from there. If its just PLA or PETG, you could get away with not having a dryer at all - I simply unpack a roll and place it into a plastic container with desiccant (the cereal containers) for use, and when I switch I just put the roll into a sealed air tight bag and suck out the air with a small USB pump. Hasn't failed me yet....

Of course if you're printing nylon etc, thats a different story altogether. If I were to purchase, I would most likely look at the Sunlu range......

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Because I print 90% PETG, and 10% exotic stuff. PETG performs significantly better when it's dry.
My main two issues with quality 3d printers are wet PETG, and a dirty build plate. Else it runs smooth.

PETG definitively does not get away with no dryer, if quality matters. I think I'm at 30kg+ a year, so that's my experience on it.

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I went for a pair of Polymaker Polydriers, with a couple of additional storage boxes. They've been good, but since you need a spare box for drying anything new I can see I'm going to keep feeding the beast which could become costly (though they are a very neat solution). I've ordered another 3 boxes now, which will give me a box for a new roll of TPU and 2 for drying anything else...  Next step will likely be wall-mounting those that have filament housed in them.

Meanwhile I keep my assorted PLA in 2 other larger dollar-store-style boxes with desiccant. I've put polyurethane tape around the top which squashes nicely to create an okay seal & taped a hygrometer to the inside so it can be read through the side to keep track of how that's storing. I also printed a desiccant container in clear to see any colour-change from outside and know to dry the silica.

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It depends on the kind of  filaments that you intend to print.  Some of them (PA, PC, TPU ) need a drier that reaches 75-80C of temperature at least, else you won't be able to dry properly those filaments in a reasonable amount of time. Most of the driers in the market don't go past 70C.  That's fine for PLA, PETG. ABS, ASA or PP. Much less so for PC and specially nylon and TPU. AFAIK, the only affordable driers able to deal properly with those filamenta are the PrintDry Pro-III and the Sunlu E2. Apart from that, you can use food dehydrators  or professional drying machines, which are very expensive and probably not worthwhile the cost for an individual customer, like most of us in this forum.

RE: What filament dryer to use?

I also have the sunlu s4 and I can't complain. It's my first dryer so I can't compare it to others.

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Having a dryer handy is definitely worth it. As mentioned, the necessity for one does depend though, if you primarily use PLA and live in a desert climate with average humidity <20%, then you likely dont need one. If like me you live in a damp climate which rarely, if ever, sees humidity drop below 60%, then I would say it's a must.

When it comes to what to pick, I would answer with "whatever your budget can afford". Polymakers offering was mentioned above, which is great but costly if you want to expand out with the containers. There are a number of much cheaper offerings but don't generally exhaust air or distribute heat as well. But if you build into your drying process to open occasionally when drying and rotate the spool, it'll do the trick. You'll likely find mods for these cheaper ones on Printables etc that you can print online to improve on the design.

Drier aside, I would recommend putting thought into how you plan to store your filament which if done right will reduce the amount of drying time, and overall energy cost associated. Cereal containers with desiccant was mentioned, polymakers boxes are a fancy version of that but the budget option is just vacuum pack bags.

My own set up has a Creatility Space Pi drier, with a couple printed mods to improve it. I also have the polymaker dryer and 2 filament containers. My process focuses on drying and storing. More hygroscopic and expensive filaments, such as PC-CF, TPU etc, end up in the polymaker containers, where they stay as I will always dry for a couple hours before printing. Everything else is dried for a couple hours in the Pi. I always make sure to vacuum pack my filament straight after use and/or drying to generally just mitigate against the filaments taking on water in the first place.

Stefan from CNC kitchen has a very good article/video on this. Worth a watch, https://www.cnckitchen.com/blog/cyo43tzz88uqge65xgwz0wv8yvv3rs  

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I too have the Sunlu S4 and, so far, it has worked well.

For myself I print mostly in PETG and the drier has made a difference, particularly after a period of inactivity. For others as favours, presents etc. I also print in PLA, which is, almost by definition, less frequently (and I've got a larger collection of PLA in a range of colours which tend to be bought for the project and then left on the shelf - consequently some of it is ~5 yrs old). I store the filament in its ziplok bag with the original silica gel pouch which will get rejuvenated in the drier as I use it. I've also dabbled with PC & PP (facilitated by my newly acquired Core One). All of them have printed well with the drier, although as I always dry the filament for an hour or so before use (longer if I haven't used it for a while) I haven't compared the quality with non-dried filament ever since I initially noticed the difference. I used to have a single spool drier (eSUN) but, due to my promise to myself to justify the cost of the Core One 😁(previous printer was a mini), I've also started to dabble with multicolour prints - hence the investment in a multi spool drier.

One of the reasons for opting for the S4 was its ability to maintain a preset humidity level over an indefinite period of time, as opposed to simply heating the filament to a preset temp - I didn't see that functionality with other driers at this price point.

One drawback with the S4 is that the single compartment, although it fits 4 spools, has no way to differentiate between the spools so the temp/humidity level has to be set for the lowest temp filament (usually PLA - there always seems to be a roll of Prusament Galaxy Black or Sunlu black in there)

RE: What filament dryer to use?

Is 70c really warm enough for the PC and Nylons of the world?  A lot of threads say up to 110c for these. 

Then again, a lot of threads say 50c for PLA, and in my experience that will turn some PLA into blocks instead of filament. 

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You'd need an oven to get anything above 70 degrees C really, as standard driers aren't built for high temps. At 110 degrees C I'd be concerned the spool would fall apart. Most filament manufacturers now either have totally cardboard spools or have a cardboard center with plastic outer rings (Prusa and bambu). Any adhesive holding the cardboard would soften at that temperature. The tension of the coiled filament then gives it good potential to become a filament spaghetti delight.

I believe that CNC Kitchen video I linked previously gets into the temp question and the principals around drying. But ultimately elevated temp and time will be your friend. The temperatures recommended to dry filaments at really are just the highest you can pick without the filament softening or turning into a puddle. As PC and Nylon can withstand higher temps, you therefore theoretically can dry at higher temps. It will quicken the process but ultimately increasing the time at lower temp (65-70oC) should be almost as good.

RE: What filament dryer to use?

With regard to why I think I may need a dryer, even though I am just starting out:

I live 1 mile from the ocean.   The average daily humidity at my house ranges from 70% to 90%.
Inside, a little lower.

Since I intend to use PETG, I read that it works much better if dry.   So I thought maybe it would
be smart to buy a one spool dryer, and then store my other spools in vacuum desiccant bags.
This way, I would only need to purchase one dryer, even if I end up owning 4 or 5 spools.

Is that a good method?

Neal

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Posted by: @neal-2

With regard to why I think I may need a dryer, even though I am just starting out:

I live 1 mile from the ocean.   The average daily humidity at my house ranges from 70% to 90%.
Inside, a little lower.

Since I intend to use PETG, I read that it works much better if dry.   So I thought maybe it would
be smart to buy a one spool dryer, and then store my other spools in vacuum desiccant bags.
This way, I would only need to purchase one dryer, even if I end up owning 4 or 5 spools.

Is that a good method?

Neal

 

I would say it’s a good place to start, and was exactly what I started with. And still follow a similar process. On the number of filament spools, believe me you’ll eventually find yourself with a lot more filament that you ever thought you would 😂

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Vacuum bags are a two edged sword. There are special bags with valves that can be reused. Highly recommend them.  But the best solution I've found is ZipLock/Iris storage tubs with foam weatherstrip in channels so they actually seal. Drop 8 to 10 spools in along with 500g of desiccant. As good as vacuum bags.  RH inside the tubs hits below 10% pretty quick (as low as my better RH meter reads).  I just printed some PETG that has been in the tubs for over a year, no drying, and no issues whatsoever. Normal RH here is 40%, so not Organic coast RH, but enough to spoil some filament if left out.

I also printed from spool of PC-CF that was in another tub with the same setup - the print does have some fur on it, but I'm not sure it isn't just the profile is a bit off (new Core One).

https://www.amazon.com/IRIS-WeatherPro-BPA-Free-Stackable-Nestable/dp/B084TN9GSV

RE: What filament dryer to use?

Posted by: @tim-24

Vacuum bags are a two edged sword. There are special bags with valves that can be reused. Highly recommend them.  

Good point and clarification to make. When I refer to vacuum bags I refer to something like these https://amzn.eu/d/8HSijGg

some are sold with vacuum as well. I had a sunlu set and the linked ones in use a few years now. I’d also always recommend putting some tape on the valve after vacuuming to prevent it passing air. 

RE: What filament dryer to use?

Start without a drier. You can always get it later. 

However, if you get one, get a proper one. The difference between a ‘cheap’ junk one that you likely trash and a good decent quality one is just little. 

that’s my take. nothing now, but if you get it due to unsatisfactory results go proper

RE: What filament dryer to use?

I'm now convinced that the best option is not a dedicated filament dryer, but an air fryer:

Pros:

• Costs practically the same (you can get a dedicated one)
• Built much more robustly
• Perfect size for one spool
• Quiet inoffensive hum instead of annoying whine
• Goes up to 200C, all the temperature you need
• Much less likely to burn your house
• Much more efficient at drying since it constantly exhausts warm air

Cons:

• A bit larger than a filament dryer
• Can't print from it

RE: What filament dryer to use?

For people wanting or needing a non professional drier than goes above 70C, there’s the Printdry Pro-III ( up to 85C ) and the Sunlu E2 (up to 110C ), although IMHO 110C is rather overkill. 90C seems enough for drying or annealing PA and PC.

I ordered the Sunlu E2 a couple of weeks ago and I’m really satisfied. It performs as advertised. A bit noisy, but that’s to be expected. Powerful fans are loud. The only minor drawback is that the actual temperatures around the spools of filament are about 5C more than the value show in the display of the unit ( I checked with a reliable thermometer ). I haven’t tried yet temperatures higher than 90C. As said before, no need to go higher than that to dry and anneal PC/PA,  Besides, 100C and above seems risky, I wonder how the spools would endure the heat. Up to 90C no problem with Prusa and Fillamentum plastic spools,

I was concerned about electrical expense, given that the E2 is rated for 500Watts but as the drier is very well insulated with a double wall, it needs no more than an average of 150-180W to keep 80C inside the unit, with a room temperature of 25C.

Oh and another “minor” issue is the price .. 363 euro  ( ouch,,, 🙄    ) 

RE: What filament dryer to use?

I had a Sunlu single roll dryer and it died within 4 months and Sunlu would not replace. So don’t count on any warranty, unless the dealer will do something (mine wanted me to ship back at my cost, which was as much as unit, and I wasn’t sure a ‘repair’ would work long-term). So I discarded that and I then purchased a PrintDryer 3 and it has been flawless. Only does 2 rolls and a very rudimentary user interface, but does the job. I had a noisy fan and PrintDryer sent me an entire top unit (actually upgrading my Ver 2 to Ver 3 with higher temp) at zero cost. I’m a fan of customer service. This has been solid for 2 years.

RE: What filament dryer to use?

Any dryer is better than no dryer. It always improve prints. With a lower temperature, you need to dry longer.

I bought this food dehydrator for $37.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075ZB3V9S

You have to print some sides. See these posts:

https://forum.prusa3d.com/forum/how-do-i-print-this-printing-help/crazy-petg-stringing-on-mini/?language=en

The dehydrator lasted about 4 years and then the motor bearings started making noise. At $37 I just bought another.

Regards,

Mark