RE: ERRF 2022
I spent as much (or rather slightly more) on my V0.1 😉 At least including all the shipping costs. However, I was getting most of the stuff at a fairly unfortunate time when the VAT change was happening so for some weeks it was fairly unclear how aliexpress will handle it and if a fee avalanche is going to be unleashed.
Mk3s MMU2s, Voron 0.1, Voron 2.4
RE: ERRF 2022
Shipping is the enemy. Fortunately, I already had a lot of the parts. I have excess aluminum extrusions from building a launch pad for rockets. I got them dirt cheap for 2M lengths from a local business. Zero shipping, but I did have to cut them. The most expensive part was the aluminum bed. $125.
I spent as much (or rather slightly more) on my V0.1 😉 At least including all the shipping costs. However, I was getting most of the stuff at a fairly unfortunate time when the VAT change was happening so for some weeks it was fairly unclear how aliexpress will handle it and if a fee avalanche is going to be unleashed.
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Chuck H
3D Printer Review Blog
RE: ERRF 2022
Cost wise, surely you spend more on a Voron 2.4 that on the current Bambu X1
That is not true. You can pay more if you buy a kit.
I purchases LDO motors and all the parts for under $800 and it cost me $80 for filament to print the parts. I already have a hotend. I am going to use a Dragon.
For sure prices in the USA must be lower than in Europe. No way I could get all the parts for a Voron 2.4r2-350mm for less than 800 $/€. unless I purchased the cheapest extrusions, linear rails, belts and so on.
Anyway, I'm planning to get the LDO motors kit. It saves a lot of time searching the parts online, as well as on crimping and soldering. They include also a Nevermore filter, a klicky probe, an input shaper tool and other nice complements.
From what I’m seeing (Matterhackers) the LDO kit is pretty close to XL kit pricing. If you need the volume now, that’s the way to go. However I can see that being a tough call to make when the XL becomes available.
Mini+MK3S+XL 5 Tool
RE: ERRF 2022
Right now :
- Prusa XL with 2 toolheads - semi-assembled : 2600 euro.
- Voron 2.4-350mm LDO motors kit: 1600 euro ( hotend and Raspberry-Pi not included)
There’s still a noticeable difference in cost, but the main factors for me are :
1 - If I predordered now a XL probably I wouldn’t get until mid 2024 ( being optimistic).
2- The Prusa XL is noticeably wider and deeper than a Voron 2.4-350mm. In fact, if I got the XL, there would be no room for my MK3S+. Instead, getting a Voron 2.4-350 I can keep the MK3S+.
RE: ERRF 2022
Decisions, decisions.
Right now :
- Prusa XL with 2 toolheads - semi-assembled : 2600 euro.
- Voron 2.4-350mm LDO motors kit: 1600 euro ( hotend and Raspberry-Pi not included)
There’s still a noticeable difference in cost, but the main factors for me are :
1 - If I predordered now a XL probably I wouldn’t get until mid 2024 ( being optimistic).
2- The Prusa XL is noticeably wider and deeper than a Voron 2.4-350mm. In fact, if I got the XL, there would be no room for my MK3S+. Instead, getting a Voron 2.4-350 I can keep the MK3S+.
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Chuck H
3D Printer Review Blog
RE: ERRF 2022
Voron's main complication for print farms is that they need a lot of work to be built. With the rise of good kits, like the LDO one, this has massively improved as the very work intensive sourcing (and receving) part has been dramatically simplified. Also with such kits the electronics part is a lot simpler.
If you enjoy building one (or more) though, I think they are great printers for fairly decent value for what you are getting. What I would ask myself though is, if your hobby is the printing rather than the printer, maybe rather go for a Trident than a 2.4. I know it is not the popular option but it is a bit the less fancy but more traditional and reliable workhorse option from what I have heard (due to somewhat lower complexity of the build and things that can possibly go wrong).
I'd say if these things are no issue for you and you need the build volume, go for the Voron. Especially if you'd like to print materials which like it warm, like ABS or ASA but also PETG. If you need a tool changer, well, you can get the E3D as a very involved platform now or wait for a probably much more polished (and "works out of the box") Prusa XL way down the road.
Mk3s MMU2s, Voron 0.1, Voron 2.4
RE: ERRF 2022
And the trident has less print speed. I have researched them, and hence why I went with the 2.4.
Voron's main complication for print farms is that they need a lot of work to be built. With the rise of good kits, like the LDO one, this has massively improved as the very work intensive sourcing (and receving) part has been dramatically simplified. Also with such kits the electronics part is a lot simpler.
If you enjoy building one (or more) though, I think they are great printers for fairly decent value for what you are getting. What I would ask myself though is, if your hobby is the printing rather than the printer, maybe rather go for a Trident than a 2.4. I know it is not the popular option but it is a bit the less fancy but more traditional and reliable workhorse option from what I have heard (due to somewhat lower complexity of the build and things that can possibly go wrong).
I'd say if these things are no issue for you and you need the build volume, go for the Voron. Especially if you'd like to print materials which like it warm, like ABS or ASA but also PETG. If you need a tool changer, well, you can get the E3D as a very involved platform now or wait for a probably much more polished (and "works out of the box") Prusa XL way down the road.
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Chuck H
3D Printer Review Blog
RE: ERRF 2022
And the trident has less print speed. I have researched them, and hence why I went with the 2.4.
Voron's main complication for print farms is that they need a lot of work to be built. With the rise of good kits, like the LDO one, this has massively improved as the very work intensive sourcing (and receving) part has been dramatically simplified. Also with such kits the electronics part is a lot simpler.
If you enjoy building one (or more) though, I think they are great printers for fairly decent value for what you are getting. What I would ask myself though is, if your hobby is the printing rather than the printer, maybe rather go for a Trident than a 2.4. I know it is not the popular option but it is a bit the less fancy but more traditional and reliable workhorse option from what I have heard (due to somewhat lower complexity of the build and things that can possibly go wrong).
I'd say if these things are no issue for you and you need the build volume, go for the Voron. Especially if you'd like to print materials which like it warm, like ABS or ASA but also PETG. If you need a tool changer, well, you can get the E3D as a very involved platform now or wait for a probably much more polished (and "works out of the box") Prusa XL way down the road.
But why would that be? Because the V2.4 is faster on the z-axis with its belt driven design? Otherwise I would not know why the Trident would be slower.
Mk3s MMU2s, Voron 0.1, Voron 2.4
RE: ERRF 2022
And the trident has less print speed. I have researched them, and hence why I went with the 2.4.
Voron's main complication for print farms is that they need a lot of work to be built. With the rise of good kits, like the LDO one, this has massively improved as the very work intensive sourcing (and receving) part has been dramatically simplified. Also with such kits the electronics part is a lot simpler.
If you enjoy building one (or more) though, I think they are great printers for fairly decent value for what you are getting. What I would ask myself though is, if your hobby is the printing rather than the printer, maybe rather go for a Trident than a 2.4. I know it is not the popular option but it is a bit the less fancy but more traditional and reliable workhorse option from what I have heard (due to somewhat lower complexity of the build and things that can possibly go wrong).
I'd say if these things are no issue for you and you need the build volume, go for the Voron. Especially if you'd like to print materials which like it warm, like ABS or ASA but also PETG. If you need a tool changer, well, you can get the E3D as a very involved platform now or wait for a probably much more polished (and "works out of the box") Prusa XL way down the road.
But why would that be? Because the V2.4 is faster on the z-axis with its belt driven design? Otherwise I would not know why the Trident would be slower.
I do not know precisely, but Voron users report it commonly as a weakness in the Trident design. It could be the geometry and stability of the design.bb
Trident
Pros:
- Simpler design (Easy to assemble).
- Some have reported superior temperature regulation.
- Easier to mod and add additional hotends. Potentially better cooling as you can easily place fans directed to the printhead.
Cons:
- Less stable and has more artifacts above 250mm (reported but may have been solved with new mods).
Voron 2.4:
Pros:
- Lower center of gravity and more stable
- Slightly higher printing speeds (? lower center of gravity and geometry)
- Faster Z hops
Cons:
- More complicated to build.
- More expensive
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Chuck H
3D Printer Review Blog
RE: ERRF 2022
To me, I came to the Prusa for the ecosystem and a manufacture that is not based in China. So when it comes to Bambu Labs, I am out. They are still delivering on their Kickstarter rewards, let’s see what the shipping timetables look like for the retail orders. And if I were a Kickstarter backer and review units were being handed out prior to fulfillment on the pledges I would be very unhappy.
RE: ERRF 2022
This is a large selling point for me. I absolutely want to support manufacturing within EU but this seems to be very difficult now.
I wish Prusa would be more open to inputs form the user group. Perhaps allow users to participate in development of components which would benefit the build quality. Ultimately I am really hoping that there will be a Pro version of XL with injection moulded components... But that is all hopes and wishes.
To me, I came to the Prusa for the ecosystem and a manufacture that is not based in China. So when it comes to Bambu Labs, I am out. They are still delivering on their Kickstarter rewards, let’s see what the shipping timetables look like for the retail orders. And if I were a Kickstarter backer and review units were being handed out prior to fulfillment on the pledges I would be very unhappy.
RE:
Offering injection molding for all plastic parts, or even merely some of them, just for a limited Pro customer base is from an economic point of view completely crazy and most definitely not going to happen. Injection molding tools cost a fortune but injection molded parts are then very cheap per piece. If there are injection molded parts they only make sense if they are used in any version that they could possibly be used in.
Bambulab, which plans for much larger production numbers than is likely for the XL, designed its whole machine around maximizing the use of the very same injection molded parts. That is why their 2nd anounced printer basically uses the very same injection molded parts from the first one, again. Injection molding locks you very much into place, even over generations of printers.
Mk3s MMU2s, Voron 0.1, Voron 2.4