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Michael
(@michael-36)
Active Member
Bed adhesion struggles, large items don't stick

I need help, I am struggling to print the image below, its the annoying giftbox from cults3d.  I've been trying to print this all weekend, and it being an 8 to 9 hour print, its frustrating to see it fail after a couple of hours

The printing barely finishes the bottom of the box, and doesn't even start the walls.  I'm using the delivered smooth PEI sheet.  I've been trying to print this all weekend, and it fails

I've trammed the bed, and adjusted the z-height, and the first layer calibration is spot on, in fact I did the ol' paper method just to be sure of the z clearance.

I washed the bed with warm water, I cleaned it with alcohol, and a microfiber cloth, I tied using a glue stick (though I think I did this wrong)

The glue stick method was such, that I applied it on the bed, for some reason the printer opted to unload/reload the filament and by the time printing was to start it dried up

Filament being used: Polyterrra PLA (brand new and dry)
Filament temps: 205 first layer, 200 all others
Bed temps: 60c

I have some Prusa PLA which I may try that, though the color isn't ideal, just grey, but I want to eliminate the possible cause.

Any suggestions and help, I'm really brand new to this and maybe I bitten off too much to chew.

I've had other successful prints, but most of them are in the smaller range. Even with Prusa PLA, some larger prints are nots sticking to the bed (I tried printing the NX-01 Enterprise and Millennium Falcon)

Veröffentlicht : 18/12/2023 12:02 pm
Thejiral
(@thejiral)
Noble Member
RE:

What glue were you using? It is not supposed to be wet. With stuff like Kores or other PVA glues, they basically stay smeary and are never really wet and specialized adhesives like Magigoo or Dimfax are intended to dry up before the print starts. Only a thin layer should be applied to begin with. 

If you struggle with such a challenging print, I would not use PVA based glues but something like Magigoo, Dimafix etc, and if that is not enough a generous brim of at least 15 mm.

You can also try reducing the infill percentage or the number of bottom layers and/or perimeters, both should help against warping. Just don't reduce it too  much as otherwise stability suffers. 

PS: if you are new to all of this. The build plate needs to be really clean. Read some tutorials on how to handle build plates and how to clean them. Never touch the area of the build plate you want to print on with your bare hands. Fat stains are your enemy and no matter how much you wash your hands, they leave fat stains. 

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Mk3s MMU2s, Voron 0.1, Voron 2.4

Veröffentlicht : 18/12/2023 1:36 pm
Michael
(@michael-36)
Active Member
Themenstarter answered:
RE:

Thanks for the reply, its Dremel GS45-01 Glue Sticks  Let me clear one thing up, I only tried the glue stick method, because my prior prints on a clean bed were failing to stick. 

I'm wondering if the bed leveling is off, I'm going down that path, and I also reloaded the Prusa PLA filament. I need to remove as much variables and try to figure out what works and what doesn't.

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Veröffentlicht : 18/12/2023 1:44 pm
Thejiral
(@thejiral)
Noble Member
RE: Bed adhesion struggles, large items don't stick

Ok, so that looks like a PVA glue, like Kores. I don't have very good experience with those, their performance as adhesive is a bit mixed, they are more of a release helper afterwards, with some adhesive properties during the print. Like I said, my experience with dedicated adhesives like Magigoo, Dimafix or similar have been much better, at least if the built plate is sufficiently hot, at least 60°C.

Yes, if you are not sure if your first layer is perfect, you should have a look at that first. Do some first layer calibration, which includes the centre and all four corners to see if your entire bed is level or if there is some issue there. First layer calibration, including z-offset has a huge impact on bed adhesion.

The thing you want to print above is challenging and will excert quite some warping force so you need strong adhesion to counter that. Even with a perfectly calibrated printer you might need additional means to ensure adhesion, like brims and or adhesive, but its good if you check first that everything is calibrated well.

Mk3s MMU2s, Voron 0.1, Voron 2.4

Veröffentlicht : 18/12/2023 7:57 pm
_KaszpiR_
(@_kaszpir_)
Honorable Member
RE: Bed adhesion struggles, large items don't stick

Show us the photos of the failed prints, please.
Especially first layer.

See my GitHub and printables.com for some 3d stuff that you may like.

Veröffentlicht : 18/12/2023 8:45 pm
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