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Paul Harbin
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GUYS! Retraction Settings for PLA, PETG, TPU, and ASA

It seems the planetary gears behave much differently than the settings for the MK3s+ profiles I had ... cry!  What do you guys have?

Postato : 25/07/2023 7:02 am
JoanTabb
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RE: GUYS! Retraction Settings for PLA, PETG, TPU, and ASA

I don't have a mk4, 
on my mk3 and mk3S, I typically use half of the default retraction... 0.4mm instead of 0.8mm. for PLA and PETG
that also worked on my modified mk3  with a 3:1 planetary gearbox, and my modified mk3S with an orbiter extruder which has a 7.5 : 1 planetary gearbox.

I would be surprised if the planetary gearbox was at fault.  

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Postato : 25/07/2023 9:33 am
Paul Harbin
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RE: GUYS! Retraction Settings for PLA, PETG, TPU, and ASA

 

Posted by: @joantabb

I don't have a mk4, 
on my mk3 and mk3S, I typically use half of the default retraction... 0.4mm instead of 0.8mm. for PLA and PETG
that also worked on my modified mk3  with a 3:1 planetary gearbox, and my modified mk3S with an orbiter extruder which has a 7.5 : 1 planetary gearbox.

I would be surprised if the planetary gearbox was at fault.  

 

.1-.8 seem to make no difference so far.  I am working up till 2. Considering turning z lift off as well.   (.1 or .2) It's very fine, and possibly moisture. will trouble shoot that in a bit. Same filament running fine on the MK3s .25 at .2 Length and .2 lift perfectly.  Revo-printing at 208.  The only thing else I am about to try is temp.  Printing at 205 on the 4, but I never ran a PiD. Maybe that helps. idk

Postato : 25/07/2023 10:42 am
3DesignsCH
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RE: GUYS! Retraction Settings for PLA, PETG, TPU, and ASA

Might it be possible that the filament slips on the gear when retracting? A little more tension could help if this is the case.

Postato : 25/07/2023 11:04 am
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FoxRun3D
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RE: GUYS! Retraction Settings for PLA, PETG, TPU, and ASA

 

Posted by: @paul-harbin

It seems the planetary gears behave much differently than the settings for the MK3s+ profiles I had

In what sense? I don't see any issues running stock Mk4 profiles. You can use the Compare Presets tool in Prusaslicer to check what the differences in defaults are between those machines. There are some but they seem minor.

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Postato : 25/07/2023 11:07 am
3DesignsCH
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RE: GUYS! Retraction Settings for PLA, PETG, TPU, and ASA

I don't have the profiles in front of me, but what are the differences? If retraction speed, this has quite some influence on stringing.

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Posted by: @paul-harbin

It seems the planetary gears behave much differently than the settings for the MK3s+ profiles I had

In what sense? I don't see any issues running stock Mk4 profiles. You can use the Compare Presets tool in Prusaslicer to check what the differences in defaults are between those machines. There are some but they seem minor.

 

Postato : 25/07/2023 11:17 am
Paul Harbin
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RE: GUYS! Retraction Settings for PLA, PETG, TPU, and ASA

 

Posted by: @3designsch

Might it be possible that the filament slips on the gear when retracting? A little more tension could help if this is the case.

That is a consideration to make. I might try a quarter turn. First, I will check the filament for moisture, then on the best settings I've had so I will spin.

Postato : 25/07/2023 11:25 am
FoxRun3D
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RE: GUYS! Retraction Settings for PLA, PETG, TPU, and ASA

I don't have the profiles in front of me, but what are the differences?

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Postato : 25/07/2023 12:03 pm
Paul Harbin
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RE: GUYS! Retraction Settings for PLA, PETG, TPU, and ASA

 

Posted by: @fuchsr

 

Posted by: @paul-harbin

It seems the planetary gears behave much differently than the settings for the MK3s+ profiles I had

In what sense? I don't see any issues running stock Mk4 profiles. You can use the Compare Presets tool in Prusaslicer to check what the differences in defaults are between those machines. There are some but they seem minor.

I've had differences with filaments and rather than always change the printer itself I always set up a filament profile.  I compared the stock settings which had everything under retraction turned on, which all of my other filament profiles did not.  I've turned them all on and am trying the filament with "stock" machine settings. I also turned the screws a touch. but I still have fine strings. 

Postato : 25/07/2023 12:40 pm
Rainer
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RE: GUYS! Retraction Settings for PLA, PETG, TPU, and ASA

You can try to reduce the flow to 95% or even 90%.

Reducing the layer width would also be a way to reduce the pressure in the nozzle.

Postato : 25/07/2023 3:56 pm
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Paul Harbin
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RE: GUYS! Retraction Settings for PLA, PETG, TPU, and ASA

It was “moistly moisture.”  One thing during this process so far I’ve noticed because uh well I do it on my three when I change printing temps PiD tune, not built in? 

Not sure you could do it in it pronterface because it didn’t even let me store the x and y tuning . I also realized that aiming for 150 is real hard with 60 mms max filament. Have one roll of highspeed  coming tomorrow to play with.

For now … poly terra charcoal isn’t so bad on 75% gonna bump it up.

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Postato : 26/07/2023 11:32 pm
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