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_KaszpiR_
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Supports printed on different layer than other parts of the model

PrusaSlicer 2.6.1
So I just noticed that I have a model with snug support and sometimes layer takes seconds, because printer prints only snug support for given layer.
Then second layer is executed and printer prints the rest of the model.

Example are top layers (around 90% of the print)

Is this normal, can I control it so that snug and model is printed in the same layer?
I'm just afraid printer could start to hit supports/models whe printing when doing moves, which is especially problematic when having custom gcode per layer which may tell head to move to specific location (and moving after print finish to the next location defined on layer change can collide with existing models).

Attached project + gcode: issue_with_snug

Video showing that supports are in different layer than the model https://storage.googleapis.com/prusa3d-content-prod-14e8-wordpress-forum-prod/2023/11/093abf54-2023-11-25-21-20-44.mp4

Best Answer by Neophyl:

It’s normal and the only way to synchronise layers is to have soluble supports with a gap of zero. The layer height of supports has always been independent. 

See my GitHub and printables.com for some 3d stuff that you may like.

Opublikowany : 25/11/2023 8:27 pm
Neophyl
(@neophyl)
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RE: Supports printed on different layer than other parts of the model

It’s normal and the only way to synchronise layers is to have soluble supports with a gap of zero. The layer height of supports has always been independent. 

Opublikowany : 25/11/2023 9:15 pm
_KaszpiR_
(@_kaszpir_)
Honorable Member
Topic starter answered:
RE:

> The layer height of supports has always been independent. 

Oh, never noticed that, thanks for the info.
I guess this explains why sometimes my supports were knocked off?

See my GitHub and printables.com for some 3d stuff that you may like.

Opublikowany : 25/11/2023 9:22 pm
Neophyl
(@neophyl)
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RE: Supports printed on different layer than other parts of the model

No that shouldn't be because of the layer height.  I use supports when required (often) and I've rarely had issues with them.  Then again I generally use snug supports and my bed adhesion is dialled in.  They do not detach from the plater and the zigzag and interlinking of the structure make them quite sturdy.  

I have seen reports of problems with Organic supports though.  Tall thin supports like those with small base sizes are going to be prone to issues, especially as the extrusion width settings for supports makes the extrusion thinner, making them weaker (easier to break apart to remove).  I'd recommend making the extrusion width the same as normal perimeters if using Organic.

If your supports are being knocked off then as with all things check your bed adhesion, the usual causes, live z and bed cleanliness.  If needed such as when using the textured sheet then increasing the Support Material> first layer expansion setting to increase their bed surface area is sensible.  

Took a look at your project and you are using way too much support.  The gridfinity base part should print with zero support.  The magnet holes are designed to bridge.  The holes for the bolt to join the 2 pieces should also bridge and any slight sagging at the tops of those holes can be reamed out with a drill bit by hand.  The only parts that need support really are the post and the area that supports the nut.  

I'd print it with supports like in the attached modified project.

Opublikowany : 25/11/2023 11:55 pm
_KaszpiR_
(@_kaszpir_)
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Topic starter answered:
RE: Supports printed on different layer than other parts of the model

Thanks for the details.

>I have seen reports of problems with Organic supports though.
In general I was using Grid support but it was quite massive, then switched to Organic and overall it was good but I had maybe once or twice one support being knocked off but not from the first layer (that is directly from the bed) but higher, usually on next layer (because bed sticks so well that even slight nudge makes a lever and second layer just rips off from the first layer due to tension) or somewhere high where the organic support changes into thin tube.
I switched to Snug and so far it works best for me. I just haven't noticed previously that support and model layers are iterated differently.

>Took a look at your project and you are using way too much support. 
Yeah, that was an overkill just to check how supports are generated and printed, those models of gridfinity base I use are printed without any supports. Normally I just use paint on supports as you did.

See my GitHub and printables.com for some 3d stuff that you may like.

Opublikowany : 26/11/2023 8:15 am
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