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Beyond the delay, I respectfully think that any other conclusion, unless based on info that are internal to Bondtech or Prusa, is speculation. Given the past performance of Prusa on delivering on time, I do not think the retail version will see the light so soon, but I am speculating as well.
Another issue is that the FE release was supposed to kick the tires ahead of the retail version (call it a beta if you want). If the time between the two get compressed to 2 weeks, then the FE is de-facto the retail version and get reduced to the early-adopter round on kickstart.
They have very much indicated they can’t output the volumes required/forecasted with the current manufacturing process. So there will be a delay with FE getting theirs first. However, the highest probability is there will be a slight overlap between FE and Prusa orders. So yes if you are down to receive the FE as part of the last batch, I can see there only being a couple weeks at most between then and Prusa getting their initial shipments out the door. Only delay will be the time to ship from Sweden to Czech and then the time for Prusa to pack the Indx tool head into boxes
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It’s an educated guess to be honest, and based on timelines and if Prusa want to ensure they get at least one unit out the door by the end of June. I’d say it’s probable.
Everything shared since Formnext last November suggests the FEs will be getting the same guts as the commercial version. Difference only being the SLS printed body.
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Another issue is that the FE release was supposed to kick the tires ahead of the retail version (call it a beta if you want). If the time between the two get compressed to 2 weeks, then the FE is de-facto the retail version and get reduced to the early-adopter round on kickstart.
This might sound a little perverse but I was looking forward to it to being early and possibly buggy. Meaning I was anticipating getting involved with the community debugging it as opposed to actually using it initially for real work.
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While we are trading educated guesses, mine is that they have found problems with remote-sensing the nozzle temperatures. Surface properties varying unit to unit, surface properties drifting with age, or such.
Just a stab in the dark to be honest. But it must be a somewhat fundamental and serious issue, otherwise they would not keep the lid on it the way they do.
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We will find out I'm sure, time will tell.
Any FE adopters may all benefit from the delay, but are we surprised given the track record of hardware releases from Prusa?
Granted the FE were coming from Bondtech, but it does make me wonder if there's something else that is hindering release from Prusa's side? All speculative of course, but i have nothing better to do at the min 😅
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We will find out I'm sure, time will tell.
Any FE adopters may all benefit from the delay, but are we surprised given the track record of hardware releases from Prusa?
Granted the FE were coming from Bondtech, but it does make me wonder if there's something else that is hindering release from Prusa's side? All speculative of course, but i have nothing better to do at the min 😅
I doubt it mate, Bondtech wouldn't be happy about holding up the dev kits because of a problem on Prusa's side.
Let's face it, it could be anything...and it's quite likely we won't find out, they won't want the competition to know what the issue was, or indeed how they've solved it.
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We will find out I'm sure, time will tell.
Any FE adopters may all benefit from the delay, but are we surprised given the track record of hardware releases from Prusa?
Granted the FE were coming from Bondtech, but it does make me wonder if there's something else that is hindering release from Prusa's side? All speculative of course, but i have nothing better to do at the min 😅
I doubt it mate, Bondtech wouldn't be happy about holding up the dev kits because of a problem on Prusa's side.
Let's face it, it could be anything...and it's quite likely we won't find out, they won't want the competition to know what the issue was, or indeed how they've solved it.
I see that as another reason for them to keep shtum? They're not going to say it's a problem with Prusa, that would be a disaster.
Yeah, I realise that. Seems like we're in for a looooong wait 😅
Anyway, what was that about rockets.........😅
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Everyone will get there INDX, and it will be more refined.
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3D Printer Review Blog
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I think most Founders accept that the (pre-)product delivered to them may come with certain functional limitations, bugs, or "quick-and-dirty" solutions.After all, this edition was—and is—intended as a field test, and that takes time.The situation is different for retail customers: They rightly expect a genuinely marketable and thoroughly tested product in exchange for the hefty premium of approximately €200.
If the retail version were to actually become available for delivery shortly after the FE version ships, then something is definitely amiss. It would raise the suspicion that an immature product—identical to the FE version—is being forced onto the market at all costs, to the detriment of retail customers. (But hey, at least they get the better front cover. Terrific. 🤪 )
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Everyone will get there INDX, and it will be more refined.
More refined than ever! To the point of actually working, eventually!
Not sure why you see the need for this cheek-patting kind of comment. If you are not interested in our speculations, just skip the thread.
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No. I do not think that wiping up the crowd with negativity is gonna help if it is delivered any faster. By the way, who makes you king of the forum? I have as much right to read and post as you do.
Everyone will get there INDX, and it will be more refined.
More refined than ever! To the point of actually working, eventually!
Not sure why you see the need for this cheek-patting kind of comment. If you are not interested in our speculations, just skip the thread.
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Chuck H
3D Printer Review Blog
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I think most Founders accept that the (pre-)product delivered to them may come with certain functional limitations, bugs, or "quick-and-dirty" solutions.After all, this edition was—and is—intended as a field test, and that takes time.The situation is different for retail customers: They rightly expect a genuinely marketable and thoroughly tested product in exchange for the hefty premium of approximately €200.
If the retail version were to actually become available for delivery shortly after the FE version ships, then something is definitely amiss. It would raise the suspicion that an immature product—identical to the FE version—is being forced onto the market at all costs, to the detriment of retail customers. (But hey, at least they get the better front cover. Terrific. 🤪 )
I don't think there was ever public talk about FE being a field or Beta test.
From what I remember, it was always clear that FE is essentially just production Batch 1 and functionally identical to retail.
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I respectfully disagree. A founders edition is not -for me at least- a limited or quick&dirty version! We paid in advance of availability to fund the development of it, and yes, some hiccups / early stage sicknesses are expected but not a lesser version in any way.
I agree with mercur12 on the strangeness of a close-up release of the retail version: why would Bondtech and Prusa forfait a controlled field test before releasing the retail one?
I think most Founders accept that the (pre-)product delivered to them may come with certain functional limitations, bugs, or "quick-and-dirty" solutions.After all, this edition was—and is—intended as a field test, and that takes time.The situation is different for retail customers: They rightly expect a genuinely marketable and thoroughly tested product in exchange for the hefty premium of approximately €200.
If the retail version were to actually become available for delivery shortly after the FE version ships, then something is definitely amiss. It would raise the suspicion that an immature product—identical to the FE version—is being forced onto the market at all costs, to the detriment of retail customers. (But hey, at least they get the better front cover. Terrific. 🤪 )
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From Prusa, there is very little on this being a beta test.
In this thread or other forums, it is all over the place. In fact, it is also in multiple YouTube videos of criticism on the launch.
I think most Founders accept that the (pre-)product delivered to them may come with certain functional limitations, bugs, or "quick-and-dirty" solutions.After all, this edition was—and is—intended as a field test, and that takes time.The situation is different for retail customers: They rightly expect a genuinely marketable and thoroughly tested product in exchange for the hefty premium of approximately €200.
If the retail version were to actually become available for delivery shortly after the FE version ships, then something is definitely amiss. It would raise the suspicion that an immature product—identical to the FE version—is being forced onto the market at all costs, to the detriment of retail customers. (But hey, at least they get the better front cover. Terrific. 🤪 )
I don't think there was ever public talk about FE being a field or Beta test.
From what I remember, it was always clear that FE is essentially just production Batch 1 and functionally identical to retail.
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Chuck H
3D Printer Review Blog
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Everyone will get there INDX, and it will be more refined.
What do you base the more refined comment on?
Other than they found something that is significant enough to hold up shipping the FE out do you know of other refinements to the contrary?
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You'll get your INDX and like it! (Said as an order.)
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Everyone will get there INDX, and it will be more refined.
What do you base the more refined comment on?
Other than they found something that is significant enough to hold up shipping the FE out do you know of other refinements to the contrary?
could be related to materials… Such as the Straight of Hormuz being closed... etc.
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I agree with mercur12 on the strangeness of a close-up release of the retail version: why would Bondtech and Prusa forfait a controlled field test before releasing the retail one?
Essentially to get it out as quick as possible to prevent the loss of what little market share they still have or recently gained with the core one. More and more options available by the day
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I have as much right to read and post as you do.
Yes, of course you do. I most appreciate those posts of yours where you add new information or ideas to the discussion, rather than just expressing your feeling of superiority.
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I have been watching quite a few videos on the release of the INDX. Most are positive and do not indicate how long the delay will be. I hope for each of you that it is short.
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Chuck H
3D Printer Review Blog