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Quite a few new pictures/videos of INDX floating around on Discord, presumably from RMRRF this weekend.
Nothing groundbreaking... vent auto opening/closing is confirmed which is nice.
Care to share, so we won't have to put our wellies on to wade through the Discord?
I've made my mind up. FOMO more than anything, but I'm hoping that my savings will outweigh tjat and any messing about thats needed to integrate it onto my C1. Plus, when I weighed it up, it ended up being £500 with a .6 & .25 nozzle (deposit excluded), which isn't bad for what it is. I just need to work out my 8 spool positions other than on the sides of the chassis 😐
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😂 ya I just caved as well after seeing the updates on discord. 8-tool and 2x 0.6 CHTs ordered.
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Canuck Creator Live from RMRRF 2026 w/ Bondtech
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Canuck Creator Live from RMRRF 2026 w/ Bondtech
What stands out to me from that video is the lack of a 'fence' on the Voron Trident R2 with Indx fitted. They are showing the same design as the Core One had in the early days.
The question I would be asking is there a mod on the way for the Voron with Indx or is the fence on the Core One doing more than just holding the Indx nozzles?
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As long as it's not what BL did with the H2D Vortex upgrade. Ship you half the parts to meet commitments and the ship the rest "eventually".
I must have been lucky - all my boxes came within the same few days 😉
I didn't bother pre-ordering the INDX. Like @hyiger I have no need for a second printer, and the Core One is filling that 'second printer' space at the moment. If I did get the INDX system it would literally just be to have a tinker and set up etc so see how it all comes together! I do still like my Core One though, so can't bring myself to sell it - who knows, maybe when we have more details I'll fall back in love with the Core One all over again!.......
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As much as I don't like the Prusa's fence, I don't think they would have put it in without a solid reason. The voron could be using different structural elements and material or they didn't tested the way Prusa did... it would be nice if Prusa would share a bit more info on the engineering...
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The bar on the voron is extruded aluminium. So by design is more rigid due to the increased surface area/shape and also will have better anchoring points with t bolts etc. Core one just has a square bar, that would have needed clamps to wrap around it.
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Now that I think about it. Core one bar is just a L bar isn’t? The housing for the LED gives it the shape. Will check when I’m back in office. Nearly a year since building it. But essentially no where near as strong rigid or versatile as extruded aluminium
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...more rigid ...
... absolutely. The Core One's frame is surprisingly flexible, print Gyroid infill and it shakes quite a bit.
Voron extrusions, it may look like a brick but surely behaves like one.
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I don't think the Voron version has the nozzle ooze stoppers that the C1 has.
I doubt thats the reason that Prusa opted for the fun fence, I guess it's just a belt and braces approach for ultra reliable tool changes over a long period of time.
Prusa obviously don't want this to fail and saw this as an area of concern.
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I think it is the first time I hear of "ooze stoppers". Where did you pick up that bit?
Also the bottom side of the Prusa's L bar is taken up by the LED stripe inhibiting a wrap-around clamp. I guess it was also not designed to be a weight-bearing part given how it is fixed to the frame. So the "let's hang the whole INDX thing from the ceiling" solution sort of makes sense and beats, from a cost perspective, replacing the horizontal bar, the LED strip, and two vertical sides, inclusing the much larger dismantle.
A Core 2 machine, would probably see a stronger bar and a less intrusive solution than the one we are getting.
I don't think the Voron version has the nozzle ooze stoppers that the C1 has.
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There was a picture a week or so back. I think the correct term is 'nozzle seal'...but I kinda like ooze stoppers !
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I think it is the first time I hear of "ooze stoppers". Where did you pick up that bit?
Also the bottom side of the Prusa's L bar is taken up by the LED stripe inhibiting a wrap-around clamp. I guess it was also not designed to be a weight-bearing part given how it is fixed to the frame. So the "let's hang the whole INDX thing from the ceiling" solution sort of makes sense and beats, from a cost perspective, replacing the horizontal bar, the LED strip, and two vertical sides, inclusing the much larger dismantle.
Id say don't underestimate the level of dismantling needed versus early assumptions. There has been a lot of tweaks to accommodate Indx by the look of it.
The replacement of the nextruder is a given of course. So for ease side panels will need removing as also the top does. Harvesting the fan and Id imagine rerouting new cabling to the board will need to fight with existing cable management (this part I fear the most 🤣).
The "Fun Fence" will need the top front frame piece removed. It also looks like they have lowered the LED strip in the videos/images, so that will need to be taken off. Tool heads added.
Build plate will likely need to come out to add the z height spacer, to add the calibration board and then route the cabling back.
Then of course is all the new bits to add. Side filament sensors and spool holders. Brackets for top hat and PTFE guides.
I mean I can see me getting through it in a few hours but still not insignificant.
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Thanks, I did miss that bit! I wonder if they survived: looking at your picture, if any ooze needs to be stopped, it will drop down onto the plate or the bottom of the machine. Sort of makes me wonder if, after seeing the mess, that was the reason Prusa/Bondtech added the wastebin.
There was a picture a week or so back. I think the correct term is 'nozzle seal'...but I kinda like ooze stoppers !
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Agreed. The steps you mentioned are the one I also expect to be in the install guide. I am still hoping to maintain structural integrity while doing everything, and then add the fence as last step...
Id say don't underestimate the level of dismantling needed versus early assumptions. There has been a lot of tweaks to accommodate Indx by the look of it.
The replacement of the nextruder is a given of course. So for ease side panels will need removing as also the top does. Harvesting the fan and Id imagine rerouting new cabling to the board will need to fight with existing cable management (this part I fear the most 🤣).
The "Fun Fence" will need the top front frame piece removed. It also looks like they have lowered the LED strip in the videos/images, so that will need to be taken off. Tool heads added.
Build plate will likely need to come out to add the z height spacer, to add the calibration board and then route the cabling back.
Then of course is all the new bits to add. Side filament sensors and spool holders. Brackets for top hat and PTFE guides.
I mean I can see me getting through it in a few hours but still not insignificant.
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If the retrofit for Indx in the Core One is that involved which was/is available as a kit do you think Prusa will let users modify the Core One L to retrofit Indx noting Prusa don't sell the Core One L as a kit.
Agreed. The steps you mentioned are the one I also expect to be in the install guide. I am still hoping to maintain structural integrity while doing everything, and then add the fence as last step...
Id say don't underestimate the level of dismantling needed versus early assumptions. There has been a lot of tweaks to accommodate Indx by the look of it.
The replacement of the nextruder is a given of course. So for ease side panels will need removing as also the top does. Harvesting the fan and Id imagine rerouting new cabling to the board will need to fight with existing cable management (this part I fear the most 🤣).
The "Fun Fence" will need the top front frame piece removed. It also looks like they have lowered the LED strip in the videos/images, so that will need to be taken off. Tool heads added.
Build plate will likely need to come out to add the z height spacer, to add the calibration board and then route the cabling back.
Then of course is all the new bits to add. Side filament sensors and spool holders. Brackets for top hat and PTFE guides.
I mean I can see me getting through it in a few hours but still not insignificant.
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If the retrofit for Indx in the Core One is that involved which was/is available as a kit do you think Prusa will let users modify the Core One L to retrofit Indx noting Prusa don't sell the Core One L as a kit.
Agreed. The steps you mentioned are the one I also expect to be in the install guide. I am still hoping to maintain structural integrity while doing everything, and then add the fence as last step...
Id say don't underestimate the level of dismantling needed versus early assumptions. There has been a lot of tweaks to accommodate Indx by the look of it.
The replacement of the nextruder is a given of course. So for ease side panels will need removing as also the top does. Harvesting the fan and Id imagine rerouting new cabling to the board will need to fight with existing cable management (this part I fear the most 🤣).
The "Fun Fence" will need the top front frame piece removed. It also looks like they have lowered the LED strip in the videos/images, so that will need to be taken off. Tool heads added.
Build plate will likely need to come out to add the z height spacer, to add the calibration board and then route the cabling back.
Then of course is all the new bits to add. Side filament sensors and spool holders. Brackets for top hat and PTFE guides.
I mean I can see me getting through it in a few hours but still not insignificant.
Oh, I can absolutely see someone who snagged a founders slot trying to sellotape the INDX onto an L.
Jokes aside, I bet someone comes up with something. If there's one thing I've learnt here is that tinkers will tinker! 😅
The only sticking point could be firmware and maybe the fence needing to be bigger, PTFE lengths, bigger 'turret'?
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The only sticking point could be firmware and maybe the fence needing to be bigger, PTFE lengths, bigger 'turret'?
This exact question has come up on discord and there has been a reply back from the Prusa reps on it citing these as reasons. Ultimately saying there's no reason it wouldn't work but the items shipped with the FE aren't meant for Core One L and ultimately the workaround is well beyond you're average tinkerer and isnt really a practical or cost efficient way to approach it. I believe cable length was also mentioned.
However, it was said that they will likely sell the individual parts for the Core One L INDX separately. So conceivably, if you have the FE INDX for Core One and also owned a vanilla the Core One L. Once the Core One L INDX variant is released, with a couple purchases (fence and cables mainly) you could move the INDX to the Core One L
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the L has a line voltage heated priting table where people could zap themselves pretty badly. I thought that this issue was the (main) reason for not offering a kit. If the INDX update requires touching the plate, I could see it not happening...
If the retrofit for Indx in the Core One is that involved which was/is available as a kit do you think Prusa will let users modify the Core One L to retrofit Indx noting Prusa don't sell the Core One L as a kit.
Agreed. The steps you mentioned are the one I also expect to be in the install guide. I am still hoping to maintain structural integrity while doing everything, and then add the fence as last step...
Id say don't underestimate the level of dismantling needed versus early assumptions. There has been a lot of tweaks to accommodate Indx by the look of it.
The replacement of the nextruder is a given of course. So for ease side panels will need removing as also the top does. Harvesting the fan and Id imagine rerouting new cabling to the board will need to fight with existing cable management (this part I fear the most 🤣).
The "Fun Fence" will need the top front frame piece removed. It also looks like they have lowered the LED strip in the videos/images, so that will need to be taken off. Tool heads added.
Build plate will likely need to come out to add the z height spacer, to add the calibration board and then route the cabling back.
Then of course is all the new bits to add. Side filament sensors and spool holders. Brackets for top hat and PTFE guides.
I mean I can see me getting through it in a few hours but still not insignificant.
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the L has a line voltage heated priting table where people could zap them pretty badly. I thought that this issue was the (main) reason for not offering a kit. If the INDX update requires touching the plate, I could see it not happening...
I believe the official line is that they can't safety certify it as AC needs them or an electrician to certify. However, nothing is stopping someone from giving it a go, at their own risk. It's probable they could offer an upgrade package that avoids directly interacting with the AC supply to the bed