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I was thinking the other way around (prusa assembles and ships) as Prusa have the 'large volume shipping' experience ... but they always go late... so I don't know if we would be better off with Bondtech 😁
I just don't see Bondtech letting Prusa assemble the INDX extruder and tools. That's their crown jewels -- both in the sense of "their pride and joy" and in the sense of "their main revenue driver". Bondtech are set up for manufacturing, and selling the actual product will always earn them more than having someone else sell it for a license fee.
Maybe this will shift at some point in the future. But the whole "Founders Edition" concept seems designed to let Bondtech take the glory and the revenue. (And the blame, maybe. 😉)
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As long as it's not what BL did with the H2D Vortex upgrade. Ship you half the parts to meet commitments and the ship the rest "eventually".
Yeah, that did piss me off. I will say the purchasing multiples of 6 sets of nozzles is a little expensive. ...but the updated H2D prints very well.
RE: Update...(Kind of)
I was thinking the other way around (prusa assembles and ships) as Prusa have the 'large volume shipping' experience ... but they always go late... so I don't know if we would be better off with Bondtech 😁
I just don't see Bondtech letting Prusa assemble the INDX extruder and tools. That's their crown jewels -- both in the sense of "their pride and joy" and in the sense of "their main revenue driver". Bondtech are set up for manufacturing, and selling the actual product will always earn them more than having someone else sell it for a license fee.
Maybe this will shift at some point in the future. But the whole "Founders Edition" concept seems designed to let Bondtech take the glory and the revenue. (And the blame, maybe. 😉)
Yeah, but I've got little interest in purchasing an INDX kit and having to install it in the Core One. I just want to purchase it as one unit with everything.
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Yeah, but I've got little interest in purchasing an INDX kit and having to install it in the Core One. I just want to purchase it as one unit with everything.
I would think Prusa would sell the Core One and L as either fully assembled with INDX or a partial kit (as an upgrade) with maybe a Nextruder-less option?
RE: Update...(Kind of)
I was thinking the other way around (prusa assembles and ships) as Prusa have the 'large volume shipping' experience ... but they always go late... so I don't know if we would be better off with Bondtech 😁
I just don't see Bondtech letting Prusa assemble the INDX extruder and tools. That's their crown jewels -- both in the sense of "their pride and joy" and in the sense of "their main revenue driver". Bondtech are set up for manufacturing, and selling the actual product will always earn them more than having someone else sell it for a license fee.
Maybe this will shift at some point in the future. But the whole "Founders Edition" concept seems designed to let Bondtech take the glory and the revenue. (And the blame, maybe. 😉)
Yeah it will be Bondtech assembling and shipping initially I think, at least for the founders edition.
It’s their product, and I doubt they want to risk the INDX reputation to take a hit at launch for assembly or other errors out of their control.
I would imagine this is where the 1500 units or whatever it was to start with comes from…ie within Bondtechs production and assembly capabilities.
That might have to change in the future depending on demand I guess.
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I'm planning on purchasing a Core One with INDX one they are available... Until then... just gonna enjoy the H2 series.
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From Olof Ogland at BondTech over at Discord:
Founders kits complete sets will be shipped by us. Later on, for retail, the Prusa upgrade kits will be shipped entirely by Prusa.
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Also confirmed today that the founder's kits will have SLS printed parts and the production units will be injection molded.
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Yeah, but I've got little interest in purchasing an INDX kit and having to install it in the Core One. I just want to purchase it as one unit with everything.
I would think Prusa would sell the Core One and L as either fully assembled with INDX or a partial kit (as an upgrade) with maybe a Nextruder-less option?
I talked to Prusa at a fair a few weeks ago. Specifically for the Core One L, the staff I talked to think they will initially release the INDX upgrade either seperately or as a bundle, however not pre-assembled on the L.
But they were very clear with this being a preliminary plan and not something that was formally decided yet. They will focus on the Core One first. They might sell a Core One L with the INDX pre-assembled some time in the future.
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I still have absolutely no idea what selection of nozzles to get 🤣
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I still have absolutely no idea what selection of nozzles to get 🤣
Probably for me:
0.2, 0.4, 0.4, 0.4, 0.4, 0.6, 0.6, 1.0 (for infill)
Although I really don't do anything with a .2mm except for lithophanes and I'm already getting bored with them plus a 100x100mm takes 12-13hrs to print... Maybe I'll just pick up a BL Mini if I need to do something like that
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What would really be cool is a Sharpie nozzle.
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I’ve already designed a very rough prototype…I use my sharpie mod literally every day on my C1, and Im hoping that INDX will do a lot of the heavy lifting Im currently doing with a post processing script.
I can’t really do much more until I get the kit, the step files they’ve released are simplified so it’s pointless doing any more until I’ve got the tools and toolhead in my hands.
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I’ve already designed a very rough prototype…I use my sharpie mod literally every day on my C1, and Im hoping that INDX will do a lot of the heavy lifting Im currently doing with a post processing script.
I can’t really do much more until I get the kit, the step files they’ve released are simplified so it’s pointless doing any more until I’ve got the tools and toolhead in my hands.
That's neat. I've been thinking something like that would work well for the interface layer on supports rather than using a soluble filament like HIPS. I guess the fun part about using HIPS is all of my parts smell like oranges now.
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Im hoping the results from a different support interface material with INDX are close to what I can get with a sharpie (bordering flawless)…if they are good I won’t bother with sharpie I don’t think, being able to do it all via slicer and INDX automatically will save me a lot of time and intervention.
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I still have absolutely no idea what selection of nozzles to get 🤣
Probably for me:
0.2, 0.4, 0.4, 0.4, 0.4, 0.6, 0.6, 1.0 (for infill)
Although I really don't do anything with a .2mm except for lithophanes and I'm already getting bored with them plus a 100x100mm takes 12-13hrs to print... Maybe I'll just pick up a BL Mini if I need to do something like that
Correct me if I'm wrong mate (I often am), but when you say 'for infill', the part would have to be huge for the time expense to be worthwhile no?
I understand big nozzles save a lot of time when doing big/quick/strong prints, but to switch nozzle every single layer just for infill would be time expensive ?
I'm thinking about 6 x 0.4, 1x 0.6, 1 x 1mm. Im not sure I'm ever going to use 0.2mm
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I'm assuming @hyiger was thinking about solid (100%) infill, which may be required when you print rocket parts with high mechanical strength requirements?
Edit: But still, I'm wondering whether the filament flow rate (melting rate) wouldn't typically become the limiting factor at nozzle size 0.6 mm and beyond?
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I'm assuming @hyiger was thinking about solid (100%) infill, which may be required when you print rocket parts with high mechanical strength requirements?
Edit: But still, I'm wondering whether the filament flow rate (melting rate) wouldn't typically become the limiting factor at nozzle size 0.6 mm and beyond?
Now you're making me question getting a 1mm nozzle ! Thanks ! 😅
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0.6 is a good and problem-free universal nozzle for all materials.
1 mm for spiral vases etc.
0.2 x 1, 0.4 x 2, 0.6 x 4, 1.0 x 1
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Bondtech are taking orders for the Founders Edition now! Well, they would if their server could keep up. Maybe they should not have sent out all those 1500 emails at once...
They have now announced a 4-week delay in shipments. Not terrible, and not a total surprise. But still disappointing after they stated just a week ago (when announcing the slight delay in setting up the ordering process) that there would be no shipping delay. Are we supposed to trust their "four weeks" now?