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For anyone curious about the SLS process, I recommend watching these:
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There won't be firmware ready when we receive the kits. It'll be through g-code in PrusaSlicer. I can imagine possibly configuring the Core One to essentially be a XL.
Where do you take this information from?
Olof stated exactly the opposite:
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There won't be firmware ready when we receive the kits. It'll be through g-code in PrusaSlicer. I can imagine possibly configuring the Core One to essentially be a XL.
Where do you take this information from?
Olof stated exactly the opposite:
At launch. Which launch? The Founder's Edition or the retail version? This is part of the problem. Everything is ambiguous including the shipping dates. From my understanding the Founder's Edition won't have this available.
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There won't be firmware ready when we receive the kits. It'll be through g-code in PrusaSlicer. I can imagine possibly configuring the Core One to essentially be a XL.
Where do you take this information from?
Olof stated exactly the opposite:
At launch. Which launch? The Founder's Edition or the retail version? This is part of the problem. Everything is ambiguous including the shipping dates. From my understanding the Founder's Edition won't have this available.
What understanding? Where is this information coming from?
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I'll wait to reply to this when I receive the Founder's Edition kit which may or may not be shipped out next week at the earliest. If Prusa or BondTech has a firmware update ready by then we will see. If BondTech provides the firmware, I hope it's signed. I don't want to break the warranty fuse on the BuddyBoard.
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I don’t think I’ve ever know someone be so weirdly negative about a product release 😂
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I asked Olof directly and he confirmed that the firmware will be ready before the Founder's Edition ships. So I stand corrected. He didn't answer if BondTech or Prusa is providing the firmware.
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I don’t think I’ve ever know someone be so weirdly negative about a product release 😂
So what, entitled to my views and opinions as are yours. So get over it.
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I don’t think I’ve ever know someone be so weirdly negative about a product release 😂
So what, entitled to my views and opinions as are yours. So get over it.
Im entitled to point out your weird behaviour, so get over that.
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Bondtech were open at the very start that the parts would be SLS printed for the founders kit
"At the very start" being when they took preorders during FormNext? I don't recall that at all.
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Not sure if it was at Formnext, but it was very early on.
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It’s disheartening—and should be a wake-up call for Prusa—when experts and inventors like @Jürgen and @hyiger jump ship due to frustration with the lack of communication and amateurish product launches from Prusa and Bondtech.
Asian competitors are now delivering high quality and ease of use. If Prusa wants to avoid becoming a 'has-been,' it must get its act together and release products that can truly compete with the best on the market, winning back the users lost during this frustrating period.
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I think Prusa are moving in the right direction on multiple fronts -- INDX, OpenPrintTag, PrusaSlicer 3.0 (whatever its actual functional improvements will be). It's just that they are moving so much slower than the Chinese competitors, and it seems that every product launch is late and a bit rough at first.
If 3D printing were a hobby in itself for me, I would happily stay on board for the journey, and I don't want to discourage anyone from doing so! But I largely consider 3D printing a tool, to be used in other hobbies and (to a small extent) in freelancing work. That's why I decided that, just for my own current needs, a different product is the better match.
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"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery..."
Prusa were pioneers in the 3D printer space. 5-6 years ago every budget printer on the market, especially the very popular Ender 3 was a clone of the Prusa i3. They weren't exactly the first but they practically invented the tool-changer with the XL. Today it's Bambu in the Core XY space. With the exception of Prusa, every budget printer now looks like a BL printer. It's no coincidence, the fastest way to obtain market share is to copy the leader and at a much lower price point. That's easy to do when you have a cheap labour source, government subsidies and very little R&D overhead.
A beginner is not going to be purchasing a printer necessarily on reliability and history but on price point and features. So you are shopping for your first printer and compare a Prusa CORE One L for $2300 or a Qidi Plus 4 for $800 (~3x less). Similar build volume but then the later has a 370° hotend and a 65° active chamber. Now 90% of hobbyist printing PLA and PETG don't need the 370/65 versus the 290/55 (Core One) but that's not what you look at when you are comparison shopping. Never mind the Q4 has crap support and (in one case) burned down someone's house. Nor the fact that 5 years later the Core One will still be printing away happily but the Q4 will most likely be in a landfill. A first printer buyer isn't going to be looking at that.
To back up @Jürgen, Prusa is better than Bambu in many ways, especially support, the fact I can build my own printer or that their eco-system is entirely open. But they are slow to market and their recent products seems to be mixed in terms of working smoothly out-of-the-gate.
For me, 3D printing started as a tool and turned into a hobby in it's own right. I don't hate my Core One, far from it. I just found it's limitations starting to get in the way of supporting my other hobbies: astronomy and model rockets. For the former, it's size. I was having to design brackets and parts in pieces then reassembling them due to print volume limitations. For the later, every design I could come up with or received from club member required an engineering material that was just out-of-reach on a Core One. If I was just tinkering instead of designing and building the Core One is an awesome (albeit expensive) printer.
And yes, I've been trashing the INDX launch because I'm seeing the SnapMaker U1, Bambu Vortex to the gate first capturing the market and rapidly pulling away. Maybe the reason is brand loyalty or as some people think... "I'm just being weird". Regardless, I think BondTech and Prusa are being cautious because a disastrous launch would be catastrophic in the least.
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Mate look, I started the thread just to feed any info from Discord or Reddit and elsewhere so that people who are looking forward to receiving the founders edition could keep up to date with the latest from Bondtech and Prusa… of course it’s not all going to be rainbows and unicorns (eg the disappointing discovery of the fun fence) but I just felt that the relentless stream of negativity from you had become really tiresome to read.
Of course you’re more than entitled to air your views, but maybe a separate thread where you outline your feelings in the OP regarding Prusa/Bondtech and the INDX launch might be a good idea?👍
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Hmm, I did not perceive hyiger's most recent post as overly negative. Some discussion of personal priorities, some sad truths about the state of the market -- all fair in my book.
I don't think it is off-topic in this thread either. The thread has covered a pretty broad range of topics: The various bits of INDX news that filtered through have prompted broad discussions how users will be impacted by the announced changes, be it on a personal usage level or via Prusa's ability to defend or reclaim their position in the market.
Unfortunately all of the recent updates I can remember have been negative, and that has tainted the atmosphere here: Shipping delay, no choice of nozzle sizes, no PrusaSlicer 3.0 in sight (workarounds to be used for INDX for now), obstructive fence for the tool dock. And don't get me started on the ugly T-shirt! 😉 I am sure once some delightful surprises get published by Prusa and Bondtech, or the first users actually receive their INDX kits and manage some neat prints, things will change.
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As I said , the thread was started just to share a bit of information to those looking forward to receiving INDX…I should know, after all.
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As I said , the thread was started just to share a bit of information to those looking forward to receiving INDX…I should know, after all.
Starting a thread does not give you ownership, I'm afraid. You set it free and everyone can engage, which sometimes results in rather meandering discussions. Maybe Prusa can help bringing it back to the aspect you prefer by finally sharing their "definitive update".
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Anyone would think that starting a whinging thread is a massive task to undertake!
I’ve applied to be a moderator 👮♂️ Im going to ban you all 🤣
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So, more towards the kind of update, what is it?
I'll be honest in the lack of research I have been doing with regards to this, other than the founders edition spot that I bagged, then the update with a 'slight' delay, but I feel like I've missed something? The founders edition was put back by a couple weeks, but with what I've read here, that has been extended?
I really must get my refund whilst I can........or not.........😅