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I mean if I spend a few hundred euros on something I kind of want to know what the fuck I’m buying. This is a joke. When I heard them respond that they’d share an updated imagine, I was back thinking hmmm maybe they’ve actually put more thought into it… then bam… blurry, off angle, incomplete image. And this is meant to be shipping to 1500 people in four weeks and they’ve clearly not decided on it yet and are just scrambling… wow
Try going over to discord and say that. I did and got pounced on by all the rabid fanboys. Along with BondTech offering the helpful: "If you don't like it then request a refund" And then there was gold-star fanboi Grant@3D Musketeers saying to the effect: "Well its a preorder so what did you expect? Don't you know how preorders work? Everything is subject to change"
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Discord just seems to be a toxic place to air any sort of opinion that doesn't follow the status quo.
I mean Grant can play shill all he wants, but people see a shirty design when they know one, a simple part like that, could of been tested in many iterations to get the best of both worlds. CAD, laser cut, test then rinse and repeat until you have the right mix. I mean we're not talking guys in a shed making printers out of extrusion anymore, this is big boy stuff. Sort it out.
I was tempted yesterday as with a .25 & .6 nozzle it was just shy of £600, but I don't think I'm that desperate to be in the group that tests and troubleshoots, when this isn't a serious investment for me, especially when they fire out blurry soft porn shots of a latticed flange 😅
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The preorder was last year, with a commitment of a locked down design prior to pulling the trigger. Now we’re 4 weeks out (apparently) and they still are unable to share the final version. I think the issue is with Prusa but the discord is Bondtechs. I don’t know I was really looking forward to this. I also think most of the individuals who are defending this aren’t actually founders 😂
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Try going over to discord and say that. I did and got pounced on by all the rabid fanboys. Along with BondTech offering the helpful: "If you don't like it then request a refund" And then there was gold-star fanboi Grant@3D Musketeers saying to the effect: "Well its a preorder so what did you expect? Don't you know how preorders work? Everything is subject to change"
Jesus that place...I bailed after about 200 posts of 'hilarious' reworks of the image with different numbering/colors. Honestly the average age must be about 13
They've definitely made changes to the design though, the gap between tools 4 and 5 is bigger than between 3-4, and 5-6.
Just show us the image already.
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Just show us the image already.
My thoughts exactly, at this point I’m less bothered about the new frame than I am about the “bait and switch”, clamouring for an update, half information and distraction. Feels like they’re using the playbook of a certain presidential administration.
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seems to be a slightly more civil conversation going on at the moment in discord. That said the general section rather than Prusa. I wonder does the discourse start to happen when the west wakes up 😂 sorry 2 posts bashing now I’ll stop.
But seems to be more of a discussion about it tbh, and people asking more grown up questions.
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What I see is that the version that was displayed during the announcement was clearly an engineering prototype and as they’ve been working on it, they’ve been iterating with new updates in order to make sure the thing actually works properly. I suspect they understand that if they don’t do this right It will damage the brand significantly.
So as far as I’m concerned, it’s positive as long as the product they release ends up being absolutely rock solid… Which is one of the reasons I sold my core one: The MMU3 did not work Properly at all, And the support for it, Literally, the one time I reached out to support for anything, Was abysmal.
In this case, while it certainly not pretty, I applaud them actually making sure that it’s gonna work even if it’s not pretty.
That’s why I still have money put aside so that I can buy one and I may sell the replacement printer once this is ready for primetime in the core one L.
Would it be nice for the printer with sexy and cool looking, absolutely… Is that a requirement for me, much less so than how we’re going to handle the materials. One of my greatest disappointments when it comes to dealing with Multimaterial and current Prusa Printers is the lack of any sort of compact AMS with climate control. In that particular area Bambu (And others) Kick their ass. The idea that I’ve got a bolt eight spools onto the side of my printer, requiring loads of space, is just ridiculous. I picked up a P2 S as a light replacement for the core one that I sold… And I’ve got storage for six spools in a nice compact area, four of which are sitting on top of the printer, and all of which feed automatically. I think that’s far more of an issue than how sexy the printer looks with 8 print heads.
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Fair points, I ended up pulling the trigger a couple weeks back on the SpacePi x4 to resolve this and then went to the effort of creating a little mod for the 4 ptfe’s to lead into the printer as well as a few mods ongoing to increase the humidity control in the unit. Having made the investment in money and time I almost feel that obliged to continue with getting the 4 tool indx as I had planned 😂
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Hey guys. I was reading through the discussion and I get the concerns here. I'm trying to share as much info as I can but lots of small things are still moving around, and sometimes that just has a really high chance in resulting in accidental misinformation, confusion, and in the long term, more frustration. We prepared a larger set of pictures that we wanted to share, but due to a last minute thing again, we couldn't use any of them, but we pushed to at least show this part a bit.
We plan to have a larger update within the week still, if all goes well, that would feature the front plate in more detail, as well as the hinged lid and viewing angles, as we do recognise the visibility is a hot topic.
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Fair points, I ended up pulling the trigger a couple weeks back on the SpacePi x4 to resolve this and then went to the effort of creating a little mod for the 4 ptfe’s to lead into the printer as well as a few mods ongoing to increase the humidity control in the unit. Having made the investment in money and time I almost feel that obliged to continue with getting the 4 tool indx as I had planned 😂
Yep, I invested in two of the same units for exactly the same reason then I realize that it would be a year at least before INDX was ready for prime time, and everything would be available.
So I’ve been using them to dry my filament…
That is a damn nice job you did!
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Hey guys. I was reading through the discussion and I get the concerns here. I'm trying to share as much info as I can but lots of small things are still moving around, and sometimes that just has a really high chance in resulting in accidental misinformation, confusion, and in the long term, more frustration. We prepared a larger set of pictures that we wanted to share, but due to a last minute thing again, we couldn't use any of them, but we pushed to at least show this part a bit.
We plan to have a larger update within the week still, if all goes well, that would feature the front plate in more detail, as well as the hinged lid and viewing angles, as we do recognise the visibility is a hot topic.
Thank you for this detail and for your replies on discord. Appreciate the challenges on new product intro and the more details you can share and informed we can be will help a lot. Looking forward to the formal update
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That is a damn nice job you did!
Thanks appreciate it. I think you mentioned you’ve sold your C1 but if anyone else has an interest in the ptfe model let me know I’ll put the time in to put it on printables. I’m really bad for putting the time aside to do that 😬
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What is this?
The Bondtech developer says: The fence isn't necessary at all, because INDX doesn't require that stiffness.
But the Prusa developer is still including the fence?
Or have I misunderstood something/all ?
seems to be a slightly more civil conversation going on at the moment in discord. That said the general section rather than Prusa. I wonder does the discourse start to happen when the west wakes up 😂 sorry 2 posts bashing now I’ll stop.
But seems to be more of a discussion about it tbh, and people asking more grown up questions.
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What is this?
The Bondtech developer says: The fence isn't necessary at all, because INDX doesn't require that stiffness.
But the Prusa developer is still including the fence?
Or have I misunderstood something/all ?
seems to be a slightly more civil conversation going on at the moment in discord. That said the general section rather than Prusa. I wonder does the discourse start to happen when the west wakes up 😂 sorry 2 posts bashing now I’ll stop.
But seems to be more of a discussion about it tbh, and people asking more grown up questions.
Without the full context it's hard but I think you've misunderstood.
That's Olof from Bondtech, but I don't think the other guy is a Prusa Developer.
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What is this?
The Bondtech developer says: The fence isn't necessary at all, because INDX doesn't require that stiffness.
But the Prusa developer is still including the fence?
Or have I misunderstood something/all ?
seems to be a slightly more civil conversation going on at the moment in discord. That said the general section rather than Prusa. I wonder does the discourse start to happen when the west wakes up 😂 sorry 2 posts bashing now I’ll stop.
But seems to be more of a discussion about it tbh, and people asking more grown up questions.
Without the full context it's hard but I think you've misunderstood.
That's Olof from Bondtech, but I don't think the other guy is a Prusa Developer.
Apologies, for context it was a question around the new panel. Further up the discord it was noted that it actually attached off the top frame now. There was something discussion as to why this was needed and what about the bar that exists. I’ll see if I can snip the rest, apologies for the confusion.
the big learning I took from this though is that this plate is only part of the obstruction. It has an additional bar which extends below the current fixed bar. This new bar I believe is to move the led to so it’s not obstructed by the tools. So even more space is taken than we realise on the vertical. All tbc in the formal update id imagine
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Please, also step-models of the top case etc. so that we can make our plans!
Hey guys. I was reading through the discussion and I get the concerns here. I'm trying to share as much info as I can but lots of small things are still moving around, and sometimes that just has a really high chance in resulting in accidental misinformation, confusion, and in the long term, more frustration. We prepared a larger set of pictures that we wanted to share, but due to a last minute thing again, we couldn't use any of them, but we pushed to at least show this part a bit.
We plan to have a larger update within the week still, if all goes well, that would feature the front plate in more detail, as well as the hinged lid and viewing angles, as we do recognise the visibility is a hot topic.
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So when Olof wrote "tolerances for the front panel hasn't had the need to be very high", I think what he meant is that historically (pre INDX), the frame and its front did not have to be positioned precisely relative to the motion system, since they did not interact with it. But now they do.
I don't think that it is an argument in favor of the new "fence" design, but rather points out another challenge with it:
The original INDX integration had the tool docks attached to the CoreXY frame, via the front bar which also carries the white LED lights. That's where the docks "belong", in my opinion, since it ensures a defined position relative to the CoreXY mechanism. The revised design attaches them to the enclosure, which gives more mounting points and hence better stability, but a less well-defined position.
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The revised design attaches them to the enclosure, which gives more mounting points and hence better stability, but a less well-defined position.
The revised design still attaches to the front bar/core XY frame as well, doesnt it ?
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The revised design attaches them to the enclosure, which gives more mounting points and hence better stability, but a less well-defined position.
The revised design still attaches to the front bar/core XY frame as well, doesnt it ?
Right, it probably does, for the lower mounting points. In which case the challenge might be to find a mounting position where all the holes fit (relative to the CoreXY bar and the frame profiles)? But when building the kit, and the frame in particular, I was actually quite impressed by the tight fit of the profiles and the small tolerances in their screw holes. So this should not be a major problem in practice.
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@jürgen I am not sure I understand your point: the horizontal bar is mounted to the frame. The new front panel is, if you want, a huge horizontal bar that now spans from the upper frame down to where the original bar is. There is no difference, it is just a larger (and optically uglier) horizontal bar!
Looking forward to see what you mean! 😀
So when Olof wrote "tolerances for the front panel hasn't had the need to be very high", I think what he meant is that historically (pre INDX), the frame and its front did not have to be positioned precisely relative to the motion system, since they did not interact with it. But now they do.
I don't think that it is an argument in favor of the new "fence" design, but rather points out another challenge with it:
The original INDX integration had the tool docks attached to the CoreXY frame, via the front bar which also carries the white LED lights. That's where the docks "belong", in my opinion, since it ensures a defined position relative to the CoreXY mechanism. The revised design attaches them to the enclosure, which gives more mounting points and hence better stability, but a less well-defined position.