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Olof Ogland on Discord:
Good news: Reference geometry update drop at https://github.com/BondtechAB/INDX/
Slighly less good news: We aren't ready for pre-order finalization.
Better news: Don't worry about the refund period. That's of course extended until you had some time to look at the product pages next week once we release that.
And don't forget; +2 weeks
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Just got the email also, not too concerned personally I think we're all good:
Dear INDX Founder,We are getting closer and closer from ordering day. It is just around the corner.INDX pre-orders to our Founders are just a few days away. We'll open them next week.This doesn't affect shipping dates, and the refund window is extended one week.Please stand by.Good news:Reference geometry update drop at https://github.com/BondtechAB/INDX/
Warm regards,The Bondtech Team
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[...] This doesn't affect shipping dates [...]
Have they ever specified what the shipping dates are meant to be? Will it be Prusa-style -- "shipping starts in Q1" meaning that the first three units are shipped on March 31st, followed by a batch schedule that gets dynamically adjusted over a couple of months?
Anyway, kudos to Bondtech for sending out the update email. They were probably sensing increased itchiness levels in their Discord community...
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Yes... Sending out a regular communication like once a month would have gone a long way to assuage doubt. Even if the email wasn't entirely positive. Indeed they will take my order soon, but I agree that shipping will probably be in batches.
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Ooof... Why did I hop onto the Discord channel? It's still a cesspit of memes...
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You are kind of forgetting that the prusa version of indx has a lot of Prusa components: the HW (produced in house), the cable(s), the mounting HW, the tank turret, etc. on top of the Bondtech tools (4 or 8) and the extruder. So with regards to the shipping of the kit, I am starting to believe we will see it coming from Prusa more than Bondtech. Still don't know who makes the tshirt and the plaque 🙂
Why cannot we resist speculating like this? 😀 😀
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I'm wondering if the Founder's edition will be a generic barebones BondTech only offering. Basically what they were running at FormNext.
Anyway, when I get it, I get it. Regardless my next printer is not going to be Prusa.
To your point @chmax, we are speculating because there has been so little communication on this. It's like a bad Kickstarter.
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Yep a little info on a regular base makes a huge difference. To the 'barebone' part: cannot be. It has been 'cooperation' from the beginning and the integration necessary makes creating two different kits unrealistic. Imho that is. 🙂
I'm wondering if the Founder's edition will be a generic barebones BondTech only offering. Basically what they were running at FormNext.
Anyway, when I get it, I get it. Regardless my next printer is not going to be Prusa.
To your point @chmax, we are speculating because there has been so little communication on this. It's like a bad Kickstarter.
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Yep a little info on a regular base makes a huge difference. To the 'barebone' part: cannot be. It has been 'cooperation' from the beginning and the integration necessary makes creating two different kits unrealistic. Imho that is. 🙂
Makes sense. I wonder how this works though. BondTech will ask me if I want the 4 or the 8 and which nozzles. Do they then send me a package with the complete Prusa kit? Do they send me they just send the nozzles and Prusa sends the rest? Do they forward that information to Prusa and Prusa ships it out? I guess this is rhetorical. In the end, I will get (hopefully) a complete kit. Again, I suppose it comes down to lack of transparency/communication.
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Anyway, when I get it, I get it. Regardless my next printer is not going to be Prusa.
Good, at least we wont have to listen to your crying for much longer 🤣
Honestly your stance on this is just weird mate. No-one's making you buy this kit.
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Honestly your stance on this is just weird mate. No-one's making you buy this kit.
As Bondtech have just confirmed, there will still be time to cancel the pre-order once the detailed order sheet has been published.
@hyiger, I have also been wondering: With the Snapmaker U1 ahead of INDX in terms of timing, and your actual next-level requirement being higher (chamber) temperatures -- why are you still planning to go ahead with the INDX upgrade?
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Honestly your stance on this is just weird mate. No-one's making you buy this kit.
As Bondtech have just confirmed, there will still be time to cancel the pre-order once the detailed order sheet has been published.
@hyiger, I have also been wondering: With the Snapmaker U1 ahead of INDX in terms of timing, and your actual next-level requirement being higher (chamber) temperatures -- why are you still planning to go ahead with the INDX upgrade?
Some people just love to moan 🤣
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Honestly your stance on this is just weird mate. No-one's making you buy this kit.
As Bondtech have just confirmed, there will still be time to cancel the pre-order once the detailed order sheet has been published.
@hyiger, I have also been wondering: With the Snapmaker U1 ahead of INDX in terms of timing, and your actual next-level requirement being higher (chamber) temperatures -- why are you still planning to go ahead with the INDX upgrade?
It's sunk cost. I started with a MK4. I have a Core One and adding a tool changer is another $400 rather than shelling out $3000 for a H2C. A SnapMaker U1 won't solve this either since the chamber is not actively heated. So no point in spending another $1000. I have a specific requirement for a multi-material setup. So it's either this or an H2D. And this is a hobby where unlike my last hobby I have no desire to spend cash that will go to waste when I eventually get bored and move on to the next.
When it comes time to get the next printer (whenever that is) it most likely will not be a Prusa because there is no longer an upgrade path.
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Don't know you, don't care. How's that for moaning.
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And to add to my own post. I realize that sunk cost is a cognitive bias. But then I can't really justify owning a second printer. Nor do I want to go through the hassle of selling or donating the Core One. So I persevere through this and I complain and it's mostly around why can't I get an monthly update for my $150 investment. That is all I ask. Even if that update is: "We aren't there yet". It is certainly preferable to silence.
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[...] I complain and it's mostly around why can't I get an monthly update for my $150 investment. That is all I ask. Even if that update is: "We aren't there yet". It is certainly preferable to silence.
Today's update seems to say that there is a one-week delay in setting up the ordering process, but not a delay in getting the units ready for shipping. That is quite encouraging in my view.
Although it would feel better if Bondtech were transparent about the expected shipping schedule. I hope that will be the case at the time of placing the actual order next week.
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Today's update seems to say that there is a one-week delay in setting up the ordering process, but not a delay in getting the units ready for shipping. That is quite encouraging in my view.
Although it would feel better if Bondtech were transparent about the expected shipping schedule. I hope that will be the case at the time of placing the actual order next week.
I wonder still what they are going to ship to us. Will they just send us the nozzle assemblies, t-shirt and plaque and the Prusa sends the rest? It would go along way for them to simply say: "This is what's going to be in the box when you receive your package" I suppose we will find out next week.
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I'm wonder still what they are going to ship to us. Will they just send us the nozzle assemblies, t-shirt and plaque and the Prusa sends the rest? It would go along way for them to simply say: "This is what's going to be in the box when you receive your package" I suppose we will find out next week.
In addition to the tools (nozzles and docks), I expect that Bondtech builds the complete toolhead, possibly with the PCBs coming over from Prusa. The other Prusa contributions seem pretty trivial: Spool holders and PTFE tube guides, tank turret cover, cable for the accelerometer.
For those, I don't particularly care whether Prusa ships a few pallets to Bondtech and everything is sent to the customers from there, or whether Prusa drop-ships their own contribution to the individual customers. I would assume the former is more cost-effective overall.
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I was thinking the other way around (prusa assembles and ships) as Prusa have the 'large volume shipping' experience ... but they always go late... so I don't know if we would be better off with Bondtech 😁
I'm wonder still what they are going to ship to us. Will they just send us the nozzle assemblies, t-shirt and plaque and the Prusa sends the rest? It would go along way for them to simply say: "This is what's going to be in the box when you receive your package" I suppose we will find out next week.
In addition to the tools (nozzles and docks), I expect that Bondtech builds the complete toolhead, possibly with the PCBs coming over from Prusa. The other Prusa contributions seem pretty trivial: Spool holders and PTFE tube guides, tank turret cover, cable for the accelerometer.
For those, I don't particularly care whether Prusa ships a few pallets to Bondtech and everything is sent to the customers from there, or whether Prusa drop-ships their own contribution to the individual customers. I would assume the former is more cost-effective overall.
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As long as it's not what BL did with the H2D Vortex upgrade. Ship you half the parts to meet commitments and the ship the rest "eventually".