INDX - Yes or No?  

RE: INDX - Yes or No?

Well, it might be the same effort as to get a second Bowden style extruder attached to Nextruder side… in a similar fashion to you-know-who

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I am a maybe.   I have several others that print colors.  I want to see how well it does multimaterial.  

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It is rapidly becoming another example of function over form, Prusa stuff has never been what you would consider a 'clean & cohesive' design or be aesthetically pleasing until the Core One appeared, the INDX upgrade may well be the best technical solution but it sure isn't pretty.

Posted by: @jurgen-7

Posted by: @ghiklm-nopqsrt

I didn’t realize was that CoreOne with INDX is getting a smaller print plate than MK4. Since it’s not that big to begin with, this reduction makes it a significant negative for me.

Maybe someone will design an alternative "outboard" mounting plate for the tool docks which positions them further forward. Plus a custom door of course, or spacers that go onto the front profiles to bring the door forward as well.

With the turret on top and a load of spools on the sides, it seems only logical that the Core One should get another bulge on the front! 😉 

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I'd say that prusa wants us to buy core one L, but in this case they'd publish indx for it... so, i'd say it's more like core one's design flaw to begin with. Either they didn't think for indx at the time of making core one  or indx didn't exist yet at that time (not even on the drawing board)...

Honestly, i didn't know that, top. But it is what it is. I use full plate rarely, so i hope i'll be fine. 

Maybe someone will design an alternative "outboard" mounting plate for the tool docks which positions them further forward

Yeah, that would be great... but, it would be quite a mod, since whole printer case would have to be changed...

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I would wait. Got hasty with XL waited for it to mature. It works but still has limitation that shouldn't have with its price tag. MMU2S was a stuck in beta phase product. Prusa has a history of unpolished first releases and terrible track of keeping timeframes. Especially now that a lot of brands are offering multi tool solutions (not ams/mmu style mutlicolor). Snapmaker is an example, creality and sovol are coming up with something and probably others will follow. INDX is offered with Prusa but maybe it will find its way to other brands also since its bondtechs product. They already said its going to be offered as a standalone device for i.e. vorons. If you need a toolchanger, IMHO, better spend 900E and get a snapmaker for the time being. INDX will cost that much anyway and at the moment you can only buy a core one with an nextruder which you probably throw away to replace with indx. It makes no sense to buy a core one now if you actually want a multimaterial solution. They dodnt even say when it will be available with the core L. Some point in the future for Prusa can translate from months to a year. Personally i would never again buy a first release of a new tech. 

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You touch on an interesting point regarding the nextruder for C1. I wonder if they will offer fully built or even kit versions that completely negate the nextruder? Interesting.

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Posted by: @scotttomo

You touch on an interesting point regarding the nextruder for C1. I wonder if they will offer fully built or even kit versions that completely negate the nextruder? Interesting.

I seem to remember Prusa stating on Discord that there are no plans to offer a Nextruder-less kit or assembled printer. It's possible they would introduce a INDX pre-installed (at least on the L). 

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I think you're right; especially when it comes to the firmware code, it's easier to maintain and improve just one print head than to have to program improvements for multiple print heads.

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Good question!!

For me, the answer is YES but not now.

There are some considerations, how much colour prints do you print?, or  you're just looking for colour or multi material printing? 

Do you need the whole printing space of your Core One?, this kit reduces the printing space, not too much, but...

Do you have a farm of printers or a printing business?, do your need colour or multi material printing for your market?.

I make those questions to myself and then I find that just now I don't need the INDX, I have MMU3 on a couple of MK4S and I'm ok with that. 

The priority for me is reliability, so start with IDNX will be a problem if it is not 100% working from the beginning. 

It is very funny to see that some people buy this kit and they even didn't have the core one, but they "have" the founders kit... now they are asking things that they have to ask before they bought the kit. 

So for me IDNX will be a good tool, I will buy it, but in the future, when the INDX became stable and reliable and with the existance of stock of kits and spare parts for them. 

Regards.

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I think what can become a big YES factor for many people is if INDX as a tool changer will be able to offer more than an additional nozzle. For instance, laser cutter/engraver module (though need to  replace the door with safety glass as part of the kit). Nothing super powerful, 10-20w would be a big deal already. Put additional power source and electronics in the left pocket of the CoreOne body and place laser module on INDX tool changer rail.

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For me... MMU3 works, but only so-so. There are jams, there are occasions when filament is not pulled in, there are times when filament comes out at side when pushed in, not where it suppose to go -  if it's not perfectly straight it tends to miss ptfe tube at selector... not frequent, but they are present.

Hopefully these problems will go away with indx...

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Posted by: @ghiklm-nopqsrt

I think what can become a big YES factor for many people is if INDX as a tool changer will be able to offer more than an additional nozzle. For instance, laser cutter/engraver module (though need to  replace the door with safety glass as part of the kit). Nothing super powerful, 10-20w would be a big deal already. Put additional power source and electronics in the left pocket of the CoreOne body and place laser module on INDX tool changer rail.

 

I dont think that this will be feasible by the INDX. In order to attach other things other than  nozzles you need something like the XL. INDX will have only a heating circuit to heat up the nozzles, keeping it light and rather quick. Anything else means a completely different head and that is out of INDX's current scope and form. 

Also personally i think is a recipe to mess things up adding components that contaminate the internal of the 3d printer. I have a couple of cnc's and an XTool laser and the residue of even the 3d laser is a pain to clean. Its tools is design to do a job and a 3d printer needs a rather clean "chamber" environment.

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This.

Lasers are horrendously dirty/messy in their nature. Even an enclosed unit with extraction will still contaminate the exposed moving parts inside the printer. Industrial lasers cover the machine ways in covers/bellows to help avoid wear and contamination. That isn't an option with the C1.

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Posted by: @ghiklm-nopqsrt

I think what can become a big YES factor for many people is if INDX as a tool changer will be able to offer more than an additional nozzle. For instance, laser cutter/engraver module (though need to  replace the door with safety glass as part of the kit). Nothing super powerful, 10-20w would be a big deal already. Put additional power source and electronics in the left pocket of the CoreOne body and place laser module on INDX tool changer rail.

 

I dont think that this will be feasible by the INDX. In order to attach other things other than  nozzles you need something like the XL. INDX will have only a heating circuit to heat up the nozzles, keeping it light and rather quick. Anything else means a completely different head and that is out of INDX's current scope and form. 

Also personally i think is a recipe to mess things up adding components that contaminate the internal of the 3d printer. I have a couple of cnc's and an XTool laser and the residue of even the 3d laser is a pain to clean. Its tools is design to do a job and a 3d printer needs a rather clean "chamber" environment.

Laser assembly can be small enough and only what is needed to fit in the actual laser with lenses itself.

Contamination is a valid point, and perhaps this is the one reason Prusa won’t do this. For me, it is a rare occasional need to cut something light. Not enough to buy a dedicated machine. Light engraving and paper cutting won’t destroy the core one. Surely no acrylic panels cutting.

So as an option, I’d like to have it.

Unfortunately, I did not find any good statistics for H2D laser effects in the long run. That would be interesting to see.

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Anything, you engrave or cut inside the chamber will contaminate the inside of the machine. The particulates that become airborne will cover everything! When Bambu offered the laser as an option on their machine, I saw it as madness.

I operated an industrial laser cutter for more than 12yrs and they are very, very messy. Stick with a dedicated enclosed laser engraver/cutter, as the downsides far outweigh the upsides for a dual purpose machine IMO.

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Okay, sometimes it’s good to hear from experienced people.

Yet, still looking for some additional tools:

- perhaps a dragging or even oscillating knife cutter for thin sheets? 
- pick-and-place vacuum nozzle for assembly or sorting?

My point - would be great to have just smth on top to yet another boring 3d printing nozzle 😅

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Posted by: @ghiklm-nopqsrt

Okay, sometimes it’s good to hear from experienced people.

Yet, still looking for some additional tools:

- perhaps a dragging or even oscillating knife cutter for thin sheets? 
- pick-and-place vacuum nozzle for assembly or sorting?

My point - would be great to have just smth on top to yet another boring 3d printing nozzle 😅

What are you describing is basically what they advertise XL for.  I dont think this is going to happen for the INDX. First of all it means that the moving head will have to have a logic and hardware to accommodate for other tools also. This means an added complexity in the firmware and in the construction. A complete redesign. Also it means that if i.e.  you want the pick and place then it will be an issue to print and at the same time do something else since the one and only toohead will be replaced by the pick and place tools. You need every head to be able to work as a stand alone which is XL philosophy. And last to do this it will make sense to ditch the XL. At some point they will because its neglected but still i don't think that is in the immediate future. 

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Without any experience in those other fields I can't really comment.

But for a plotter knife for thin stock, I'm sure you could build one for less than modding a C1, same goes for a laser?

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I intend to do a multi-color Sharpie mod for mine. Would be cool to have docked Sharpies and create pen art. 

If Prusa developed a laser module for the Core One it would be something like this: