RE: Bondtech INDX on CoreOneL
With the INDX and the new high-temperature nozzle (which only works with the Core One variants), does this mean the XL and MK4S are effectively at the end of their lifecycle? This is exactly why I hate buying tech—there’s always something new and better around the corner. All these new releases make you want to upgrade constantly, and even competitors are bringing out interesting products, which does create a healthy, competitive landscape. In the end, it really comes down to affordability versus reliability.
RE: Bondtech INDX on CoreOneL
I've been using my trusty old MK3S for six and a half years now. Only upgraded it with a Revo and to a MK3.5. I passed on the MK4 and Core One because the build volume was pretty much unchanged from the MK3 and because I wasn't convinced about the Nextruder compared to Revo. I like swapping nozzles a lot.
I also passed on the MMU because of the bad reputation earlier versions had gotten. And the engineering of this type of filament changers (including similar solutions like ERCF or AMS) doesn't feel right. It always reminds me of a Rube Goldberg machine. Too many failure points. The latest incarnation of the MMU3 seems to be ok though, but it is sad Prusa only got it right shortly before the tech became obsolete...
I'm glad I waited. I can now have it all in one fell swoop: the Core One L INDX (which I'm hoping/expecting to be available) will offer me a larger build volume, reliable, quick, zero-loss multimaterial printing, and different nozzle sizes ready to go without any swapping.
RE: Bondtech INDX on CoreOneL
Interesting, I’d wondered why they even were going to mess with an MMU when the INDX system was coming…
Agreed, I'll go with a MMU at this point as I'll have multi color and 400C
Trust, but verify….
Now, we need a 400C INDX system….
Carbon PEKK core, with an ASA exterior, some flexibles and conductives…..
RE: Bondtech INDX on CoreOneL
I passed on the MK4 and Core One because the build volume was pretty much unchanged from the MK3 and because I wasn't convinced about the Nextruder compared to Revo.
My journey has been kind of funny. I'm a CNC machining guy who bought Mk3 kit a few years ago that then sat in my closet until a few months ago when I finally decided to put it together. I'd been watching the 3DP space since the early RepRap days with Forrest Addy and others, but had held off because the tech felt far too immature to be useful.
When I got the Mk3 running I was blown away, then bought a Core One to increase my throughput. I was blown away by how much faster it was (typically 50-100% faster for what I do which is mostly coarse functional prints) and basically avoided using the Mk3 because of how much slower it was. I still have enough trouble with warping and bed adhesion that I don't really trust long prints though I'm slowly getting there.
More recently still I did the 3.5 upgrade on my Mk3 which makes it more useful to me but I still favor the Core, partly because I get better results with the enclosed build area.
I had been mooting the XL or MMU because I've been doing more multi-color prints (typically using an accent color for labeling) but both seemed problematic in their own ways. With the C1L now having a clear path to multi-color I am likely going to order one of them very soon.
RE: Bondtech INDX on CoreOneL
With the C1L now having a clear path to multi-color I am likely going to order one of them very soon.
Just to be sure:
Do you need the features of the L?
Because the INDX is coming to both printers. Currently it even looks like the non-L will get it earlier.
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The INDX is obvioulsy the best tech yet for multi color prints, but it can't get high temps. We haven't seen how the print quality compares in all aspeccts. I have no need for INDX, a complex solution to a problem I don't have. I make functional designs and now my ability to print ABS with the C1L and Nylon if I get the 400C nozzle. If I would like to make some multi color thing, the MMU would be ideal, it will still get the multi color done and I don't have to give up my fundamental use case for the printer. Don't care about purge waste, even the high flow nozzles don't seem worth it to me, plan on installing a diamond nozzle, good for CF and everyhting else, set it and forget it.
Interesting, I’d wondered why they even were going to mess with an MMU when the INDX system was coming…
Agreed, I'll go with a MMU at this point as I'll have multi color and 400C
Trust, but verify….
Now, we need a 400C INDX system….
Carbon PEKK core, with an ASA exterior, some flexibles and conductives…..
RE: Bondtech INDX on CoreOneL
With the C1L now having a clear path to multi-color I am likely going to order one of them very soon.
Just to be sure:
Do you need the features of the L?
Because the INDX is coming to both printers. Currently it even looks like the non-L will get it earlier.
Yeah, I do run up against the XY limits a lot. Though by the time the INDX system comes out (for either) I'll probably be done printing my 20kg of Gridfinity baseplates and bins and won't need either for a while 🤪
RE: Bondtech INDX on CoreOneL
Once the INDX is installed, I will have a spare Nextruder. If Prusa came out with a Core One IDEX kit, I would buy it. A two extruder system for high temp stuff and INDX for everything else.
RE: Bondtech INDX on CoreOneL
FYI Mikolas from Prusa on Reddit is suggesting the 300 C limit for INDX is incredibly conservative and he's hearing "360 easy" from Bondtech.
The INDX is obvioulsy the best tech yet for multi color prints, but it can't get high temps. We haven't seen how the print quality compares in all aspeccts. I have no need for INDX, a complex solution to a problem I don't have. I make functional designs and now my ability to print ABS with the C1L and Nylon if I get the 400C nozzle. If I would like to make some multi color thing, the MMU would be ideal, it will still get the multi color done and I don't have to give up my fundamental use case for the printer. Don't care about purge waste, even the high flow nozzles don't seem worth it to me, plan on installing a diamond nozzle, good for CF and everyhting else, set it and forget it.
Interesting, I’d wondered why they even were going to mess with an MMU when the INDX system was coming…
Agreed, I'll go with a MMU at this point as I'll have multi color and 400C
Trust, but verify….
Now, we need a 400C INDX system….
Carbon PEKK core, with an ASA exterior, some flexibles and conductives…..
RE: Bondtech INDX on CoreOneL
360 is more than enough, that would change things. They were talking 300 at the release. I do like the self adjusting tension on the INDX. I guess by the time INDX comes out for the C1L, we should have a very good idea what our options are and how it truly performs.
FYI Mikolas from Prusa on Reddit is suggesting the 300 C limit for INDX is incredibly conservative and he's hearing "360 easy" from Bondtech.
The INDX is obvioulsy the best tech yet for multi color prints, but it can't get high temps. We haven't seen how the print quality compares in all aspeccts. I have no need for INDX, a complex solution to a problem I don't have. I make functional designs and now my ability to print ABS with the C1L and Nylon if I get the 400C nozzle. If I would like to make some multi color thing, the MMU would be ideal, it will still get the multi color done and I don't have to give up my fundamental use case for the printer. Don't care about purge waste, even the high flow nozzles don't seem worth it to me, plan on installing a diamond nozzle, good for CF and everyhting else, set it and forget it.
Interesting, I’d wondered why they even were going to mess with an MMU when the INDX system was coming…
Agreed, I'll go with a MMU at this point as I'll have multi color and 400C
Trust, but verify….
Now, we need a 400C INDX system….
Carbon PEKK core, with an ASA exterior, some flexibles and conductives…..
RE: Bondtech INDX on CoreOneL
I would like to see the HT option added to the INDX on a Core One L as well. For me, that would be one hell of a machine.
RE: Bondtech INDX on CoreOneL
I thought the 300C level was more of a measurement issue- thermocouple versus thermosomething? The one we all use is only good to 300C. Obviously, there are material issues, and enough energy to get to temp, but as long as it is all metal, it should be able to take it.
RE: Bondtech INDX on CoreOneL
Thermocouples vs temperature sensors, like PT1000. I guess Bondtech/Slice engineering's own Copperhead heating blocks and a decent heater cartridge with a PT1000 probe is already available and rated up to 500C. You can put the hardware into the Core One already, the only thing is that the firmware have to know how to interpret the PT1000 signal and also to remove the temp limit.
Pricing wise that 200 EUR charge can be justified, but just barely. Using stock prices from Bondtech's shop, a Slice PT1000 temperature probe plus a HT block with an industrial heater is like 70EUR together, plus the Obxidian nozzle for like 70-90, together like 140-160 EUR together is not that far fetched, but still overpriced. I guess the copperhead hotend shape would not work well with the cooling fixture on the Nextruder, so a smaller one should be custom made for this purpose, upping up the costs. Plus the markup.