Surface recommendation for PS612-CF filament
I want to start printing using Polymaker PA612-CF and ASA filaments. I have the advanced filtration kit coming on Monday, so making sure I’ve got everything I need (including preparation for heartbreak and disappointment 🙂 to give them a try on my C1+. I expect ASA will be fine on the smooth sheet that came with the C1, but I’m seeing that nylon is more challenging.
My plate inventory is: Prusa smooth 1 new, one beat to hell, 2 Prusa satin - both good, Prusa textured - practically unused, and a Cryogrip Glacier. I’d rather use the Glacier as it’s the cheapest to replace if I screw it up… Can I make it work?
Seems like anything I use will need a coating, so will order a stick of magigoo or whatever recommended coating I get here.
So, what would those with experience recommend I use?
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Should be PA612, but for some reason the site is being uncooperative with my attempt to edit…
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According to BIQUs website, the Cryogrip glacier is compatible with PA, but the nozzle temperature shouldn't be above 300°C
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I don't know how you found anything on that mess of a website... I don't see any reference to the glacier, only the cryogrip "pro"... And no mention of Prusa compatibility, but oddly enough we have one.
According to BIQUs website, the Cryogrip glacier is compatible with PA, but the nozzle temperature shouldn't be above 300°C
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I see it now. They do say PA, which is good. They say no glue either. I guess I'll try it dry... Should be "fun".
I don't know how you found anything on that mess of a website... I don't see any reference to the glacier, only the cryogrip "pro"... And no mention of Prusa compatibility, but oddly enough we have one.
According to BIQUs website, the Cryogrip glacier is compatible with PA, but the nozzle temperature shouldn't be above 300°C
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I have used Vision Miner Nano Polymer Adhesive (available at Vision Miner or Amazon);on a Prusa satin sheet with great results.
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I use CryoGrip pro on my Core One for pretty much everything except PC and ASA. For those filaments I use a Garolite G10 plate with Nano Polymer Adhesive. I would not use a strong adhesive like that on a Satin or Cryogrip plate because it can easily damage the coating when removing parts like ASA (for example). If you use the CryoGrip you can print small to medium sized ASA parts without an adhesive.
If you find your ASA parts warping then you should consider an adhesive but be careful that the part when it cools doesn't pull the plate off the print bed. That's why I use a G10 plate on a thick (non spring steel) backing.
For the Polymaker PA612-CF I assume you have an appropriate filament dryer? PA6 must be dried before (and possibly during) printing.
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According to BIQUs website, the Cryogrip glacier is compatible with PA, but the nozzle temperature shouldn't be above 300°C
That is true but it needs to be unpacked. First off, this is not an issue on the Core One since the max nozzle temperature is 290°. Most PA that you would print on a Core One would be around 280-285°.
Basically what they are implying here is that plastics that need to be printed above 300°, like PPA, PPS, PC, etc are at a high enough temperature on the first layer that it can chemically attack the coating on the build plate.
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Polymaker PA612-cf is and ASA are coming today from the smiling Amazon truck. I've been using this center mounted brush solution (no offence to your left side bracket Mr. Hyiger) which I really like for its clearance. So I took a sheet metal nibbler to my CryoGrip plate and started to nibble away at the center section to make room for the brush. I was please to see that the spring steel snapped like dry wood. After the first section was cut, a pair of pliers made quick work of the rest, leaving a perfect cutout. Very happy with this. Was going to apply touch up to the exposed metal but on second thought that may not be great for the temps. So i'll just make sure to heat it up after every wash to rid any water molecules left behind.
Looking forward to try the PA on it later today.
I use CryoGrip pro on my Core One for pretty much everything except PC and ASA. For those filaments I use a Garolite G10 plate with Nano Polymer Adhesive. I would not use a strong adhesive like that on a Satin or Cryogrip plate because it can easily damage the coating when removing parts like ASA (for example). If you use the CryoGrip you can print small to medium sized ASA parts without an adhesive.
If you find your ASA parts warping then you should consider an adhesive but be careful that the part when it cools doesn't pull the plate off the print bed. That's why I use a G10 plate on a thick (non spring steel) backing.
For the Polymaker PA612-CF I assume you have an appropriate filament dryer? PA6 must be dried before (and possibly during) printing.
RE: Surface recommendation for PS612-CF filament
Polymaker PA612-cf is and ASA are coming today from the smiling Amazon truck. I've been using this center mounted brush solution (no offence to your left side bracket Mr. Hyiger) which I really like for its clearance. So I took a sheet metal nibbler to my CryoGrip plate and started to nibble away at the center section to make room for the brush. I was please to see that the spring steel snapped like dry wood. After the first section was cut, a pair of pliers made quick work of the rest, leaving a perfect cutout. Very happy with this. Was going to apply touch up to the exposed metal but on second thought that may not be great for the temps. So i'll just make sure to heat it up after every wash to rid any water molecules left behind.
Looking forward to try the PA on it later today.
My designs I make for myself and then share them on Printables for anyone to use (or not use). That's the nice thing about the mod community. There are a lot of choices. My personal nozzle wiper is not even FDM printed, I printed it with a resin SLA printer.
Once your PA filament arrives, you will need to dry it at 80C for at least 6-8hrs before printing with it. I assume you have a filament dryer?
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I was only joking with the "no offence" comment. I know how it works.
Yes, I have a Bambu AMS-HT (high temp) attached to my P2S which will dry at 80c. I plan on dropping it in as soon as the amazon truck arrives, and the ASA will go into a PolyBox on the PolyDryer - which only goes to 70, but after 8 hours or so should be fine hopefully. Depending on when that happens, it may be later tonight (after our Anjeo, empanada and quesadilla fueled, home made happy hour wraps up) or depending on the degree of the aforementioned intoxication, tomorrow...
Polymaker PA612-cf is and ASA are coming today from the smiling Amazon truck. I've been using this center mounted brush solution (no offence to your left side bracket Mr. Hyiger) which I really like for its clearance. So I took a sheet metal nibbler to my CryoGrip plate and started to nibble away at the center section to make room for the brush. I was please to see that the spring steel snapped like dry wood. After the first section was cut, a pair of pliers made quick work of the rest, leaving a perfect cutout. Very happy with this. Was going to apply touch up to the exposed metal but on second thought that may not be great for the temps. So i'll just make sure to heat it up after every wash to rid any water molecules left behind.
Looking forward to try the PA on it later today.
My designs I make for myself and then share them on Printables for anyone to use (or not use). That's the nice thing about the mod community. There are a lot of choices. My personal nozzle wiper is not even FDM printed, I printed it with a resin SLA printer.
Once your PA filament arrives, you will need to dry it at 80C for at least 6-8hrs before printing with it. I assume you have a filament dryer?
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The ASA should be good straight out of the bag. ASA is not that hydroscopic.
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One last thing. With ASA, I like to keep the chamber temp is high as possible to control warping so I throw a blanket over the top of the printer and have all the holes in the frame taped up. I can usually get the chamber up to 60° that way (assuming ambient room temperature is decent).
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Nice. My AFS kit is at the local post office. Unless USPS screws up majorly (which of course, is always a possibility) I should have it tomorrow. I realized after my post that I wouldn't be able to use the C1 today - as the filter kit hadn't arrived yet. A little brain fog. Even before happy hour. I might still have given it a go with the P2s (which has an internal "ventobox" carbon/hepa filter I printed/built) but the C1 was really what I plan on using for these filaments.
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Yep, it's not a good idea to print ASA without an active filter and a well ventilated room. Styrene can cause all sorts of health issues.
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As I expected, screwed by USPS… Again. AFS is sitting in the local PO, but won’t be delivered until Monday now.
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BTW, Amazon is having a “lightning deal” on the glacier plates. $20 for C1 and $17 for my P2S. Just ordered another set.