RE: The Core One Kit Waiting List
Ah, you're right of course. Well, in that case I don't know 😀. I do hope the reason you suggest (to limit the load on the Prusa servers) is not true, or that at the very least there will be a way to use the camera without going to the cloud.
I have a sneaking suspicion the reported low update rate of the camera is due to the poor wifi implementation on the Core One itself. So either they manage to improve on that with a firmware update (hopefully soonish), or otherwise I'll just connect the camera to the raspberry pi running Octoprint directly.
But the Core One firmware has nothing to do with the camera? The camera does its own WiFi transmission; it only gets its power supplied from the Core One. The frame rate limitations are probably imposed deliberately to limit the downstream data rate to the servers and app.
Edit: Prusa really needs to add a solution for streaming locally at the full frame rate.
RE: The Core One Kit Waiting List
I wouldn't count on the order from February 10th being in the first batch. I'd guess 3rd.
I asked if my order (feb 10th) will be in the first batch.
I am from the Czech Republic, I don't speak English, I translate using Google Translate
RE: The Core One Kit Waiting List
Yeh, I actually agree. lol
I understand if people would like a camera to monitor their new printer, but by all reports, it's a bit crap anyway isn't it?
Only the customers can decide if it is worth delaying their order or not, but it's not worth the hassle IMO.
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RE: The Core One Kit Waiting List
I am really getting distraught by Prusa's lack of communication. Bambu has released the H2D, which will totally eat the XL's lunch but also is not that much more expensive than a Core One with MMS (once that will eventually be available...), while offering much more. Meanwhile, total radio silence from Prusa regarding quality issues with the Core One, firmware updates, ship dates for the kit...
Maybe the thought process is "We have advertised the Core One too early, so we will make sure we don't fall into that trap again, and won't announce anything before it is totally ready". But I don't think it works like that. Once you have dug that hole for yourself by releasing prematurely, you need to be a bit more active to dig out of it and regain credibility.
Looking at Prusa's blog and seeing the "Bead Contest" as the headline item feels like a declaration of bankruptcy to me in this competitive situation.
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Notwithstanding, the reports that I saw state that the wifi on the printer is indeed slow, and I'd be happy if a firmware update fixes that 😊
Ah, you're right of course. Well, in that case I don't know 😀. I do hope the reason you suggest (to limit the load on the Prusa servers) is not true, or that at the very least there will be a way to use the camera without going to the cloud.
I have a sneaking suspicion the reported low update rate of the camera is due to the poor wifi implementation on the Core One itself. So either they manage to improve on that with a firmware update (hopefully soonish), or otherwise I'll just connect the camera to the raspberry pi running Octoprint directly.
But the Core One firmware has nothing to do with the camera? The camera does its own WiFi transmission; it only gets its power supplied from the Core One. The frame rate limitations are probably imposed deliberately to limit the downstream data rate to the servers and app.
Edit: Prusa really needs to add a solution for streaming locally at the full frame rate.
RE: The Core One Kit Waiting List
The new Bambulab is certainly a very good printer, as long as it works. I don't want to have to repair or troubleshoot the thing.
Most people are rightly disappointed. I can't see Dr. Tao's announcement of something unprecedented in the H2D. I would have trusted Bambulab to come up with something smarter, like the new Bondtech system.For me, it's just technology overkill with little practical benefit for the effort put into it.Respect for Bambulab's engineering achievement, no question.But less is sometimes more.
Some people here should perhaps reconsider their choice. They don't even have the printer and write pages and pages about what it could be.With so much doubt, I would choose a different product.The grass is always greener on the other side.
RE: The Core One Kit Waiting List
Some people here should perhaps reconsider their choice. They don't even have the printer and write pages and pages about what it could be.With so much doubt, I would choose a different product.The grass is always greener on the other side.
Believe me, I am reconsidering it every day...
I am ok with the higher price vs. a P1S, in view of supporting a European company and repairable quality. I can accept a lack of some features (although it pains me to have no solution that is equivalent to Bambu's AMS). But I hate the idea of having a printer with quality issues, and a company which does not show any indication of taking them seriously.
Prusa are really asking for a big leap of faith here -- "I trust they will fix it eventually, as they have done before". Although the reports on their success in fixing the XL are pretty mixed.
Does Prusa really have a solid handle on Core XY technology? When they moved out of their bed-slinger comfort zone with the SL1, it seems that it took them a second attempt to get it right. And the fix to make it an SL1S is not free for the early customers (although the "upgrade" is priced reasonably). I would hate to have to pay for a "Core One S" soon to fix whatever might be needed to really get rid of VFAs/belt ripple and acoustic noise, and make nozzle cleaning, Y calibration and bed leveling robust.
RE: The Core One Kit Waiting List
If i recall correctly there is a reddit thread where Josef himself responded about the camera framerate.
Their intention was always to have a "normal" video feed from the camera but because they had to switch suppliers on short notice the current state of the camera ended up the way it is now but they are working on fixing it asap.
More on topic i think this is another indicator of Prusa feeling the pressure from the competition specifically Bambu and forced things out early resulting in both not enough hardware being stocked and the SW not being as polished as they used to.
RE: The Core One Kit Waiting List
The reports on the quality of the XL are mixed, correct.
I've gotten to the point where I doubt a lot of what I see written in forums.
I never know the reasons why something was written.
I can only make the same print look really good or really bad with the right light.
In a test of the H2D against an XL, a vase was used as a VFA test print.
There it was also claimed that the MK4S prints just as badly as the XL
I printed this vase today in shiny blue cheap filament with a standard 0.2 speed profile. It looks great.
Later I will post the make on Printables.
When I watch the Core One video with CNC Kitchen. They do a blind test with Mk3s, Mk4S and Bambulab X1C.
Result all good. Depending on the model, one or the other has an advantage.
The others are mature models and the Core One has the first firmware.
Stefan, Thomas Sanlanderer or MpoxDe are trustworthy in my opinion.
RE: The Core One Kit Waiting List
They will be shipped in the next 1-2 weeks - was what I was told last week.
So calm down, we're almost there 🙂
RE: The Core One Kit Waiting List
Ok... that's news. Earlier in this thread it sounded like "The kits a ready to ship, we just have to polish the instructions...".
With april only a few days ahead, and production hasn't even begun, i'm starting to be glad, that i won't be in this first batch. It's all reading between the lines, but that feels to me, that there are a lot more issues to fix, than just the instructions... beta-testing the instructions is one thing, beta-testing the whole kit is something different...
We'll see. I just canceled the BuddyCam, to elimitae the chance of a 10-12 weeks delay... stil want that kit sooner than later. 😉
I just got off from the chat with a staff menber. I asked if my order (feb 10th) will be in the first batch. He said that they did not even start the production of the kits and therefore no batch is assigned yet.
Very disapointing since the store-listing still says that the first batch will ship in march
RE: The Core One Kit Waiting List
The reports for all printers are mixed including the Bambu X1C. You have to look at the reports in totality. Most XL reports are pretty good.
I looked at the H2D and may buy one eventually. I want to see some posts first and reports of longevity.
The reports on the quality of the XL are mixed, correct.
I've gotten to the point where I doubt a lot of what I see written in forums.
I never know the reasons why something was written.
I can only make the same print look really good or really bad with the right light.In a test of the H2D against an XL, a vase was used as a VFA test print.
There it was also claimed that the MK4S prints just as badly as the XL
I printed this vase today in shiny blue cheap filament with a standard 0.2 speed profile. It looks great.
Later I will post the make on Printables.
When I watch the Core One video with CNC Kitchen. They do a blind test with Mk3s, Mk4S and Bambulab X1C.
Result all good. Depending on the model, one or the other has an advantage.
The others are mature models and the Core One has the first firmware.
Stefan, Thomas Sanlanderer or MpoxDe are trustworthy in my opinion.
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RE: The Core One Kit Waiting List
More on topic i think this is another indicator of Prusa feeling the pressure from the competition specifically Bambu and forced things out early resulting in both not enough hardware being stocked and the SW not being as polished as they used to.
I don't think so. That's always been the case with Prusa.
On the contrary, it has become better in terms of availability. Even if newcomers may not believe it.
The second rule when ordering a Prusa printer is "never order anything with it, always just the printer".
The firmware has actually always had a reduced range of functions.
Functions are only added gradually.
But then for years and even if the successor is already available.
I bought my Mini in 2020. There wasn't much talk of Input Shaper back then. No consumer printer had it.
After 4 years, the Mini gets a completely free update that brings the speed and quality to a new level.
I maintain that this would have been a new model for all other competitors.
Even with my MK4, the firmware and print quality got better and better.
It would certainly be nice if everything worked the same. On the other hand, you always get something new.
RE: The Core One Kit Waiting List
I looked at the H2D and may buy one eventually. I want to see some posts first and reports of longevity.
The majority of reviews of the H2D are positive. But I think Bambulab is already thinking carefully about who it sends an advance device to.
Bambulab is unbeaten in this type of marketing.
There were also some critical comments.
Especially with the heating bed, which only reached 100 degrees and the heat distribution was very uneven. Over 15 degrees difference across the surface. Hence the adhesion problems at the edge.
In addition, some reported crooked beds.
For me personally, the print head is mechanically too complex, including the many sensors.
I don't think the benefits are in good proportion to the effort involved.
But that's my opinion. I can imagine that some people love this technical overkill.
RE: The Core One Kit Waiting List
Ok so then their published announcement on X is wrong? I'll take the comment from a chat with a grain of salt vs published communication stating they are on track to meet this shipping target.
Ok... that's news. Earlier in this thread it sounded like "The kits a ready to ship, we just have to polish the instructions...".
With april only a few days ahead, and production hasn't even begun, i'm starting to be glad, that i won't be in this first batch. It's all reading between the lines, but that feels to me, that there are a lot more issues to fix, than just the instructions... beta-testing the instructions is one thing, beta-testing the whole kit is something different...
We'll see. I just canceled the BuddyCam, to elimitae the chance of a 10-12 weeks delay... stil want that kit sooner than later. 😉
I just got off from the chat with a staff menber. I asked if my order (feb 10th) will be in the first batch. He said that they did not even start the production of the kits and therefore no batch is assigned yet.
Very disapointing since the store-listing still says that the first batch will ship in march
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For me personally, the print head is mechanically too complex, including the many sensors.
I don't think the benefits are in good proportion to the effort involved.
But that's my opinion. I can imagine that some people love this technical overkill.
I guess personal preferences and assessments vary. I consider Bambu's dual print head + AMS a well-chosen balance, much more so than the 5 print heads in a fully loaded XL. And while it looks mechanically a bit finicky, I am not more concerned about it than about those five print heads "on the loose".
The downward-looking camera on the print head is a pretty clever solution for calibrating the absolute position on the print bed, and even more so the relative position of the two nozzles. (Just print something, check where it ends up on the print bed, compensate in software. No mechanical pin and probing around required.) And those little CMOS cameras cost next to nothing today. So this seems like a very adequate solution to me, not overkill at all.
The Prusa XL used to be the only game in town if you wanted efficient multi-color printing in the "somewhat affordable" range. I don't think it has a bright future now, especially with anyone who is also interested in filaments beyond PLA and PETG.
RE: The Core One Kit Waiting List
I choose for the kit for the adventure/ challenge of building my own 3d-printer with a lot of tinkering/upgrading possibilities. Surely buying a complete printer will be easier and less frustrating 🙂 but I'm here to learn.
I don't understand ppl comparing Core One with a closed-source plug&play printer (Bambu), they're not in the same league.
So, If you get frustrated waiting for the kit you might ask yourself what you want; did you order the kit because a ready build one is too expensive? You're losing revenue waiting so cancel your kit. Did you order the kit but do you want a working solution right out of the box? You'll be disappointed, cancel your kit.
Did you order the kit as a learning experience? Learning to wait is a valuable skill and you're learning already.
Just my 0.02
RE: The Core One Kit Waiting List
I have the feeling there are a lot of people in here that don’t really know what they want, but they want it now.
I choose for the kit for the adventure/ challenge of building my own 3d-printer with a lot of tinkering/upgrading possibilities. Surely buying a complete printer will be easier and less frustrating 🙂 but I'm here to learn.
I don't understand ppl comparing Core One with a closed-source plug&play printer (Bambu), they're not in the same league.
So, If you get frustrated waiting for the kit you might ask yourself what you want; did you order the kit because a ready build one is too expensive? You're losing revenue waiting so cancel your kit. Did you order the kit but do you want a working solution right out of the box? You'll be disappointed, cancel your kit.
Did you order the kit as a learning experience? Learning to wait is a valuable skill and you're learning already.
Just my 0.02
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I chatted with Prusa support today. Here is a transcript of part of our conversation:
Support worker Wed, 26 Mar 2025 15:42:24 CET
Hello. How may I help you?
Customer15:44
I have a question: How are the Core One kit deliveries? I have an order 17xxxxxxxxx6 and March is slowly ending..
Support worker 15:45
We are starting the shipment this month, exactly as stated 🙂
Customer 15:47
That would be great, will there be a batch order again like it was with the assembled Core Ones or will you be able to do it continuously?
Support worker 15:47
Definitely yes, as soon as we start the shipment, we will prepare a waiting list 🙂
Customer 15:48
And how are the upgrade kits? I know there's still time...
Support worker 15:49
they'll take about another month
Customer 15:51
Yeah, I understand, they're reported for April. But the kits are for March, so I see it that on the afternoon of March 31st (because you probably don't have night shifts for shipping) the first three pieces will leave to meet the deadline..
Support worker 15:52
unfortunately I don't know exactly when
RE: The Core One Kit Waiting List
The assembled Core One shipping start was on 31.01
From then on, I expected the shipping start for the kit on 03/31 anyway. I don't think it will happen this week.