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without any additional incentive (discount or exchange program), I suspect it will be so!
BTW, I had a friend that owned one of the first "portables", and resembled very much one of those!
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It's an upgrade - just like the MMU3 was always an optional upgrade to the MK4s, and the Core One. The printer was never actually supplied assembled along with the MMU3 pre-installed and set up.
Saying that, considering the INDX system is contained inside the printer, whether Prusa supply a fully built and ready system with INDX pre-installed from factory is yet to be seen, but for the moment it is an upgrade option only.......
... nice page, but why would I buy a coreone now, only to remove the nextruder in a very short time to install INDX... unless the strategy is only to sell INDX as an upgrade part. Oh well, we'll see soon.
RE: newest INDX picture
It's an upgrade - just like the MMU3 was always an optional upgrade to the MK4s, and the Core One. The printer was never actually supplied assembled along with the MMU3 pre-installed and set up.
Saying that, considering the INDX system is contained inside the printer, whether Prusa supply a fully built and ready system with INDX pre-installed from factory is yet to be seen, but for the moment it is an upgrade option only.......
The key difference between the INDX and MMU3 upgrades is not whether the unit is installed inside or outside the printer, in my opinion. But whether installing it implies discarding a $300 Nextruder which you paid for quite recently.
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It's an upgrade - just like the MMU3 was always an optional upgrade to the MK4s, and the Core One. The printer was never actually supplied assembled along with the MMU3 pre-installed and set up.
Saying that, considering the INDX system is contained inside the printer, whether Prusa supply a fully built and ready system with INDX pre-installed from factory is yet to be seen, but for the moment it is an upgrade option only.......
The key difference between the INDX and MMU3 upgrades is not whether the unit is installed inside or outside the printer, in my opinion. But whether installing it implies discarding a $300 Nextruder which you paid for quite recently.
I guess that's the sacrifice you make for upgrading.
Similarly, I've completed the Vortek upgrade and now have a H2D full heatbed assembly, the toolhead and entire X Axis assembly, AP control board, steel sheets, front panel, etc - all as new (considering I hadn't used the H2D much until that point), sitting here in boxes not having any idea what I'm going to do with them! lol
Easy enough to sell the steel sheets I guess, but all the remaining parts - not so much - and some of them, like the toolhead assembly, cost a fair bit too! £500 last time I checked! Just seems a shame to waste them!
Guess it'll be the same with the Core One!
I do wish companies provided the ability to trade in for credit. They could easily refurbish and reuse components, and look after the planet at the same time!
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The major difference being that the MMU used the existing extruder, expanding the functionality. INDX replaces the extruder completely and it seems rather weird to pay for something that -if you are starting from zero- you will never used. My extruder started its life in my mk4 and I don't have a problem replacing it with INDX but buy and throw away?
It's an upgrade - just like the MMU3 was always an optional upgrade to the MK4s, and the Core One. The printer was never actually supplied assembled along with the MMU3 pre-installed and set up.
Saying that, considering the INDX system is contained inside the printer, whether Prusa supply a fully built and ready system with INDX pre-installed from factory is yet to be seen, but for the moment it is an upgrade option only.......
... nice page, but why would I buy a coreone now, only to remove the nextruder in a very short time to install INDX... unless the strategy is only to sell INDX as an upgrade part. Oh well, we'll see soon.
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Similarly, I've completed the Vortek upgrade and now have a H2D full heatbed assembly, the toolhead and entire X Axis assembly, AP control board, steel sheets, front panel, etc - all as new (considering I hadn't used the H2D much until that point), sitting here in boxes not having any idea what I'm going to do with them! lol
Easy enough to sell the steel sheets I guess, but all the remaining parts - not so much - and some of them, like the toolhead assembly, cost a fair bit too! £500 last time I checked! Just seems a shame to waste them!
Guess it'll be the same with the Core One!
Since you bring up the Bambu Lab example: The big difference is that they not only sell Vortek as an upgrade, but they immediately offered the H2C (which includes Vortek) as well. So customers who know that they want the fast material changing can buy that configuration, don't have to do installation work, and don't have to discard any parts they just bought.
That's the whole point of this discussion: Whether and when Prusa will similarly offer a Core One with INDX already installed, and without a Nextruder going to waste.
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That's the whole point of this discussion: Whether and when Prusa will similarly offer a Core One with INDX already installed, and without a Nextruder going to waste.
I couldn't have said it better.
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Exactly . If Prusa offers the INDX ONLY as an upgrade then its cost for a pure indx printer is not starting from let say 400E but from 700E for 4 tools keeping in mind that you HAVE to buy the "useless" nextruder.
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It is not a useless nextruder. It is back up parts.
Exactly . If Prusa offers the INDX ONLY as an upgrade then its cost for a pure indx printer is not starting from let say 400E but from 700E for 4 tools keeping in mind that you HAVE to buy the "useless" nextruder.
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Chuck H
3D Printer Review Blog
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What do you mean by “back up parts”? How can you use it once indx will be installed?
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My printers run 6-8 hours a day at the minimum. I have 9 nextruders on the printers I commonly use. I have to have back up parts to keep them running. Any down time is print time lost. I keep nozzles, gears, fans, thermistors, and heaters at the ready. I have two full extruder ready to swap at a moments notice. Nothing is a waste.
What do you mean by “back up parts”? How can you use it once indx will be installed?
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Chuck H
3D Printer Review Blog
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It is not a useless nextruder. It is back up parts.
For what though? A second Core One or an MK4S? It won't be of any use once the INDX is installed. It does though make me regret recycling the left-over parts from the MK4S conversion.
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I guess that is true if you only own one or never go back. If you only own one, sell the Nextruder. Someone like me will buy it and use it.
I own 26 printers. 5 of them use 9 nextruders. I have multiple extra parts and they never go unused. Nothing is useless or wasted in my shop. My two extra nextruders will be used as parts or replace one of my existing extruders when one goes down. If I upgrade to the INDX, I will use the nextruders as parts or back up.
It is not a useless nextruder. It is back up parts.
For what though? A second Core One or an MK4S? It won't be of any use once the INDX is installed. It does though make me regret recycling the left-over parts from the MK4S conversion.
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Chuck H
3D Printer Review Blog
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Ok, first, not all of us do 3d printing for money, many of us are hobbyists. Second: if you’ll have indx then your printer can run 1 minute or 10 hours per day, doesn’t matter, you won’t be able to use nextruder for nothing, since it’ll take hours to remove all indx sytem and reinstall nextruder.
and, honestly, chances for 8 indx heads to go bad at the same time… it’s mor likely that your roof will fall on you…
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I own 26 printers.
Wow, wow… stop right there. We’re talking about “normal users” which have one printer, which will be modified from standard core one into indx core one.
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It is not a useless nextruder. It is back up parts.
Exactly . If Prusa offers the INDX ONLY as an upgrade then its cost for a pure indx printer is not starting from let say 400E but from 700E for 4 tools keeping in mind that you HAVE to buy the "useless" nextruder.
no its not. Backup for an indx is indx parts not a nextruder. Backup also is something you buy in part or as a whole IF YOU WANT not something you are obliged to pay even if you dont want to. And even if it was backup parts then it doesnt change the fact that the actual cost is not the advertised one but the one taking into account those "backup parts"
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26 printers...good for you, but you are "slightly" outside the vast majority of the people in the forum (mostly hobbist with one or two devices) that will honestly not know what to do with the nextruder once INDX is installed 😀
But hey, when my INDX upgrade is done I will send you a PM for selling my nextruder 😀
I guess that is true if you only own one or never go back. If you only own one, sell the Nextruder. Someone like me will buy it and use it.
I own 26 printers. 5 of them use 9 nextruders. I have multiple extra parts and they never go unused. Nothing is useless or wasted in my shop. My two extra nextruders will be used as parts or replace one of my existing extruders when one goes down. If I upgrade to the INDX, I will use the nextruders as parts or back up.
It is not a useless nextruder. It is back up parts.
For what though? A second Core One or an MK4S? It won't be of any use once the INDX is installed. It does though make me regret recycling the left-over parts from the MK4S conversion.
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Hence is why I said to “sell it” if you only have one printer with the nextruder. I find no reason to be fatalistic about owning a part you may not use. I sell extra parts on eBay and often make more for them than what they are worth.
I own 26 printers.
Wow, wow… stop right there. We’re talking about “normal users” which have one printer, which will be modified from standard core one into indx core one.
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Chuck H
3D Printer Review Blog
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Hence is why I said to “sell it” if you only have one printer with the nextruder. I find no reason to be fatalistic about owning a part you may not use. I sell extra parts on eBay and often make more for them than what they are worth.
I own 26 printers.
Wow, wow… stop right there. We’re talking about “normal users” which have one printer, which will be modified from standard core one into indx core one.
Not to sound judgmental but you understand that what you say is not actually logical? First of all, as already answered by many, an unused part of different configuration is not considered a "backup". Secondly is not "fatalistic" not wanting to pay for something IM NOT GOING TO USE because i can sell it, lets say through eBay. I mean come on i want to buy a printer and start printing. Not buy a printer and then either start a process to sell the part in order to get my money back OR find a place to plug it in order to justify that is getting used. You own 26 printers. So what? The point here is paying an extra cost for something that in the end of the day you didnt want to buy. Maybe Prusa will offer a full package with only the INDX. But if that's not the case then the extra cost of the nextruder is exactly that EXTRA COST. It doesn't matter if you have 52 or one printer.