RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Yeah the XL has always been tempting but the price makes it prohibitive for me. And I don't need that size build area, 99.5% of what I print fits great on the C1.
If they get the pricing right, and that is critical here it could be , and I hate the term, a game* changer.
*tool 😜
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Bondtech mentions Formnext in November 2025 to launch, perhaps in a Core One.x ?
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I would love to have a tool changer. Don't care about multicolor but multi-material, especially for supports really intrigues me. I guess the process will be: end of the year it will get announced, pre-order is made available, I get the kit 6 months after I give them my money (i.e. interest free loan to Prusa) and then spend the next 6 weeks on this forum debugging it.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
https://x.com/josefprusa/status/1960392553594822805
So glad I waited... my single colour/material CoreOne needs this... hurry up and take my money.
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Great news, can't wait (again)😁
Would be great if Mr. Prusa would share this with Bluesky or better via their own Blog
Sascha
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Exact same use case I’m looking for. Multi-colour is a nice concept but it’s the multi material where your options open right up.
clearly snapmakers newest offering has triggered a response. Competition is good for the consumer!!
I would love to have a tool changer. Don't care about multicolor but multi-material, especially for supports really intrigues me. I guess the process will be: end of the year it will get announced, pre-order is made available, I get the kit 6 months after I give them my money (i.e. interest free loan to Prusa) and then spend the next 6 weeks on this forum debugging it.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Its really neat, and looks like a clever design. Expect that it will make my print area smaller, since i use the extra 18mm. I heard in an interview its only limited to 300degC, i hope prusa will have a higher spec, would really make this a worthwhile update in more than one way, and fix the weak area of the C1.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I wonder whether there will be a top cover. A rather tall one maybe? But even a fully-closed-but-taller enclosure would probably limit the achievable high chamber temperatures. Looking forward to the "Project ideas for using a spare polycarbonate plate and Nextruder" threads!😉
Oh, and lid or not -- where would the filament be routed? Early pictures of INDX implementations show the U-shaped guide tubes from the parked nozzles to their docking stations, and then on to the filament spools. That does not seem practical on the Core One if the parking positions are at the front, since it would get in the way of the door? I wonder where Prusa will anchor the guide tubes, and where the filament spools are meant to go. All coming in from above maybe? That should work, but now we are talking about a really tall asssembly.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I wonder whether there will be a top cover. A rather tall one maybe? But even a fully-closed-but-taller enclosure would probably limit the achievable high chamber temperatures. Looking forward to the "Project ideas for using a spare polycarbonate plate and Nextruder" threads!😉
Oh, and lid or not -- where would the filament be routed? Early pictures of INDX implementations show the U-shaped guide tubes from the parked nozzles to their docking stations, and then on to the filament spools. That does not seem practical on the Core One if the parking positions are at the front, since it would get in the way of the door? I wonder where Prusa will anchor the guide tubes, and where the filament spools are meant to go. All coming in from above maybe? That should work, but now we are talking about a really tall asssembly.
There needs to be a filament housing (AMS Im looking at you) on top of the machine, there's no reason not to. If they're implementing a multi tool system like this, a filament housing with some rollers shouldn't be a big problem. Yeah I know there could be up to 7 needed, but give us somewhere to put 4, and the lunatics with 7 filaments on the go can come up with something creative for the other 3.😂
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There needs to be a filament housing (AMS Im looking at you) on top of the machine, there's no reason not to.
Well, the one reason against it (or at least drawback) is that there also needs to be a lot of free airspace above the XY stage, for the U-shaped filament tubes. I don't see how you could route all of them lying flat like the current umbilical cord in the Core One. That puts the filament rack rather high up, and makes for a significantly taller assembly than e.g. a BambuLab printer with AMS or a Core One with MMU and spools on top.
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Yeah I didn't consider that. Mind you, that's why Josef earns the big bucks!
Probably why the image posted to X didn't show the top of the machine...it now stands 6 feet tall 😂
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Given Joseph's love of the mmu being able to handle larger spool sizes I suspect they'll just go for desk rollers and let the user print alternatives if they want it.
I quite like the idea of sorting my own out.
Hmm. I wonder there is anything on the inside that could point to routing of bowden tubes? I'm still convinced the core one was designed from an early stage to use an indx system. Might be something already in place...
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Hmm. I wonder there is anything on the inside that could point to routing of bowden tubes? I'm still convinced the core one was designed from an early stage to use an indx system. Might be something already in place...
I can't see how it could be anything else than tall arcs of tubes, from anchor points on the frame to each nozzle unit. Filament is fed from the spools to the fixed anchor points, and on through the arced tubes to the nozzles.
The anchor points do not necessarily have to be in the same position where the nozzles are parked; they could be on the side instead (to interfere less with access and visibility from the front). But that would mean an array of diagonal-running tube arcs to all the parked nozzles, not a great look. I think that teaser photo was carefully chosen...
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Heheh. I don't think the loops will make it all that tall. The toolhead seems shorter than the nextruder so maybe more of the "loop" will be inside the current roof leaving not all that much to stick out. Looking at the pictures of the Voron they demo with it for reference (obviously smaller printer needs smaller tubes/guides). So, taller sure but not skyrocketing way higher than an AMS on top of a printer.
Yeah I didn't consider that. Mind you, that's why Josef earns the big bucks!
Probably why the image posted to X didn't show the top of the machine...it now stands 6 feet tall 😂
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I don't think the loops will make it all that tall. The toolhead seems shorter than the nextruder so maybe more of the "loop" will be inside the current roof leaving not all that much to stick out. Looking at the pictures of the Voron they demo with it for reference (obviously smaller printer needs smaller tubes/guides). So, taller sure but not skyrocketing way higher than an AMS on top of a printer.
I find the INDX tubing on their demo Voron quite bulky. See this screenshot from the Canuck Creator Youtube video.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I don't think the loops will make it all that tall. The toolhead seems shorter than the nextruder so maybe more of the "loop" will be inside the current roof leaving not all that much to stick out. Looking at the pictures of the Voron they demo with it for reference (obviously smaller printer needs smaller tubes/guides). So, taller sure but not skyrocketing way higher than an AMS on top of a printer.
I find the INDX tubing on their demo Voron quite bulky. See this screenshot from the Canuck Creator Youtube video.
Wonder if the Core One version is going to require CPAP cooling as well? No sure how this would work with plastics that require a heated chamber.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Yeah I was looking at that and thinking the CORE One toolhead is already under a roof, while the INDX Demo Voron has no roof - in that at least a few cm of loop would exist in the current space inside the printer and the remaining would. be tall but not much taller than a filament box full of spools. Not that you don't need that box on the desk somewhere anyway 🙂
I don't think the loops will make it all that tall. The toolhead seems shorter than the nextruder so maybe more of the "loop" will be inside the current roof leaving not all that much to stick out. Looking at the pictures of the Voron they demo with it for reference (obviously smaller printer needs smaller tubes/guides). So, taller sure but not skyrocketing way higher than an AMS on top of a printer.
I find the INDX tubing on their demo Voron quite bulky. See this screenshot from the Canuck Creator Youtube video.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I guess this is the "re-imagining from the ground up..." being referred to:
And not a moment too soon! Just deleted "CoreOne Enclosed MMU3 Kit" from my Cart, which had a 5-6 week lead time...
Not to be that guy... but just yesterday I inquired with PS:
Me: "... wondering if I should just wait for whatever the next-gen of MMUs is going to be or look for an MMU3?"
Reply:
"There is no clear direction or indication of a new MMU unit at this time, the NEWEST MMU3 model is the enclosed version for the CORE One unit. If I were you, I would purchase an MMU3 is doing M.C. and M.M. prints is something you are interested in at this time."
Granted I didn't inquire about the possibility of a tool changer in the C1. But still...
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Me: "... wondering if I should just wait for whatever the next-gen of MMUs is going to be or look for an MMU3?"
I'd say that depends how much use you'd get out of an MMU3 in the next, say, 9 months, because with the best will in the world, I can't see the first of these units/conversion kits/whatever making their way to users before next summer. We know the drill by now (except this 'tease' photo is new): product announcement, pre-order date announcement, pre-orders, estimated start of shipping, start of shipping (i.e. one unit goes out on the last day of the predicted month), several months of 'batched' shipping, and finally items in stock for immediate delivery. And who knows what will be available first - assembled CORE One INDX, CORE One INDX kits, CORE One to INDX conversion kits...
That said, I'm super excited about this and hope to be proven wrong, and whatever the schedule I fully intend to be there whenever pre-orders begin so that I'm in batch 1!
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Not to be that guy... but just yesterday I inquired with PS:
Me: "... wondering if I should just wait for whatever the next-gen of MMUs is going to be or look for an MMU3?"
Reply:
"There is no clear direction or indication of a new MMU unit at this time, the NEWEST MMU3 model is the enclosed version for the CORE One unit. If I were you, I would purchase an MMU3 is doing M.C. and M.M. prints is something you are interested in at this time."
Well, what did you expect? "This will cost me my job, but just because it's you: Yes, we have an entirely new solution in the pipeline which we are not allowed to talk about yet"?
It's a tricky balance when to publish information about a new product. Most potential customers will defer buying an MMU3 now, and if we look back at Prusa's release history, it might take 6 months before the new product actually ships. Heck, quite a few potential customers will probably defer buying a Core One, because the current Core One plus an INDX upgrade are going to be more expensive than a future, already integrated solution. (Well, to ease the pain Prusa will start collecting our money in the meantime, well before they ship. 😎)
So I am pretty sure that tech support either did not know anything about the INDX project yesterday, or were under very firm instructions to keep quiet about it.
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... whatever the schedule I fully intend to be there whenever pre-orders begin so that I'm in batch 1!
I fully intend to do the opposite this time. I feel burnt with the Core One, and don't want to repeat the experience anytime soon. I might order the INDX this time next year, when it actually works and comes with a free roll of filament or two.