Weird print failure - advice sought
So I had a weird print failure.
The print is a grip for the Switch 2. I printed one in all-TPU (red), came out fine bu is too floppy. So I made a version where the wide flat part is painted with PETG (clear). The print included PLA supports which worked great, and aren't relevant to my question.
When I tried the tpu-petg combo it started out good but then developed a strange lean. One side started the issue with a slight layer shift, but the rest has this smooth curve almost as though it was designed that way. The tpu and petg curved together. Note I had the additional problem that the spool tangled & broke, which is why the tpu stops before it got to the top.
In the photos below I'm holding both the original tpu-only print and the tpu-petg combo with the problem, just to show what the structure is supposed to look like.
I thought at first maybe it was the tpu getting extra resistance as it started to tangle, but that should not affect the petg. Another thought was maybe the print started to lean, but when I took it off the bed it was still attached well, including the supports. I didn't sense any significant play in it.
Anyone have any thoughts as to what I should look for? The print takes almost a full day so I would prefer to have something to try tweaking before I restart it. But if I do retry it with no changes, what should I be looking for?
Other info: pla in extruder 1 (supports), tpu in extruder 2 (grip), petg in extruder 3 (back). Latest prusaslicer. Wipe tower set for extruder 1. Printed standing right-side up with supports both for the back and grips. My XL has the prusa enclosure, the lid was closed but bellows down. I've attached the slicer project.
Thanks in advance!
ken
RE: Weird print failure - advice sought
Not sure why the project file is refusing to attach...
RE: Weird print failure - advice sought
You have to zip most file types files to attach them.
It does look as if a small layer shift was followed by a slow warp - please show us the underside of the failed print.
Zip your part file before attaching.
Cheerio,
RE: Weird print failure - advice sought
Here are a couple underside views, and an attempt to attach the project as a zip (thank you!)
RE: Weird print failure - advice sought
Thank you. It seems the part partially detached and slowly aligned to a new position under the stress from the cooling contraction of the longer extrusion runs.
Although you have set a brim it's not connected to the part - Set: Print Settings > Advanced > Elephant's foot compensation: to zero.
If it's possible, also adjust the design so the grips have a larger footprint - maybe substitute some of the under-curve for a shallow chamfer to increase the diameter at the print sheet.
And protect the printer from drafts.
Cheerio,
RE: Weird print failure - advice sought
Hmm, OK thank you. I thought it seemed like it was still firmly upright but now I'm doubting myself. The brim was attached to the supports at the handgrips, I'll try changing that setting and check it in the slicer.
(The design itself is from Bruce Lucas on printables, I don't have the skills to make something with ergonomic curves myself 🙂 )
I thought it seemed like it was still firmly upright but now I'm doubting myself.
The lift line is visible in your pictures.
I don't have the skills to make something with ergonomic curves myself
It looks fairly simple, quite a good subject for a first project, suitable for an OpenSCAD beginner. I'd be tempted to enlarge the top surface enough that the whole thing could be printed upside down and so avoid support.
Cheerio,
RE: Weird print failure - advice sought
It is? I'm not understanding what you're seeing, even though I have the thing in my hand. Can you elaborate on what you mean by "lift line"?
I greatly appreciate your help!
ken
I don't have the skills to make something with ergonomic curves myself
Here is a quick and dirty OpenSCAD script that should, once you have copied and pasted it and edited in your correct dimensions, make a useable part. OpenSCAD is free to download and open source so well worth learning the basics for something like this, tinker with this as you learn.
// Drop-in controller holder // All of these figures are user editable in millimetres // measure the parts and enter your desired values. // Edit to suit your hands gripdiamax=40; gripdiamin=30; gripheight=85; gripmaxheight=70; // How far from bottom is widest part // Measure your controller... controllerwidth=280; controllerdepth=15; // controllerheight not set, it is assumed support height is enough socketdepth=10; supportheight=60; // height of support bar supportthick=3; // and thickness // curve smoothing $fn=50; // Designed upside down for easier, support-free printing. difference(){ union(){ grip(); translate([0,controllerdepth/2,0]){ cube([controllerwidth+socketdepth*2,supportthick,supportheight]); } translate([controllerwidth+socketdepth*2,0,0]){ grip(); } } // Subtract the shape of the controller from the holder to make a socket translate([socketdepth,-controllerdepth/2,0]){ controllershape(); } } module grip(){ // Shape the grip with two cone sections cylinder(d1=gripdiamin,d2=gripdiamax,h=gripheight-gripmaxheight); translate([0,0,gripheight-gripmaxheight]){ cylinder(d1=gripdiamax,d2=gripdiamin,h=gripmaxheight-(gripdiamin/2)); } // and dome the bottom end translate([0,0,gripheight-(gripdiamin/2)]){ sphere(d=gripdiamin); } } module controllershape(){ // very crude, should be edited to actual shape with about 1mm of tolerance cube([controllerwidth,controllerdepth,supportheight]); }
Cheerio,
RE: Weird print failure - advice sought
You have a heck of an eye ... if I put the light on it just right I can kinda see the line you're talking about.
Thanks again for the help!
RE: Weird print failure - advice sought
Here is a quick and dirty OpenSCAD script that should, once you have copied and pasted it and edited in your correct dimensions, make a useable part. OpenSCAD is free to download and open source so well worth learning the basics for something like this, tinker with this as you learn.
Great! I'll give that a try - I would like fatter grips, I'll see how far this gets me!
ken