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1Eye
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5T XL - Bring back the old bed leveling

I've had a 5T for years now and once through some of the early growing pains I have used it without issues for many, many months. Now every print fails to complete a stuck filament test or bed leveling or complains about the nozzle. I have routinely cleaned the nozzle now and disabled what I could but now the best I can do is kick off a print and wait for what is almost 30 minutes for the single most annoying bed leveling to complete and hope that "this print works".

I am on 6.4.0-alpha+11774 and will probably roll back to something earlier to see if that helps. My question is this: How can I turn of the infuriating "probe the same place in a little spiral ~50 freaking times before I move on to the next location"? It never used to do this and worked flawlessly. What changed and how do I turn it off? (pic below is the infuriating madness in action)

Any help is appreciated. 

This topic was modified 1 month ago 2 times by 1Eye
Posted : 02/11/2025 12:31 am
Bill
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RE: 5T XL - Bring back the old bed leveling

Mine does not do that.. never has done that.   I'm on 6.2.6 firmware 

Posted : 12/11/2025 2:41 pm
mgantner
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RE: 5T XL - Bring back the old bed leveling

WTF is that? I've never seen that behavior. I would get off the beta firmware.

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I've had a 5T for years now and once through some of the early growing pains I have used it without issues for many, many months. Now every print fails to complete a stuck filament test or bed leveling or complains about the nozzle. I have routinely cleaned the nozzle now and disabled what I could but now the best I can do is kick off a print and wait for what is almost 30 minutes for the single most annoying bed leveling to complete and hope that "this print works".

I am on 6.4.0-alpha+11774 and will probably roll back to something earlier to see if that helps. My question is this: How can I turn of the infuriating "probe the same place in a little spiral ~50 freaking times before I move on to the next location"? It never used to do this and worked flawlessly. What changed and how do I turn it off? (pic below is the infuriating madness in action)

Any help is appreciated. 

 

Posted : 18/11/2025 1:05 am
1Eye
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RE: 5T XL - Bring back the old bed leveling

Move to 6.4.0. Still seeing this behavior. Nozzle cleaning failure and then this inane "probe the bed a thousand times" bull shit. What should have been a 32 point bed probing that takes ~30 seconds took a full 10 minutes. This is completely not needed. How do you turn this off? 

Posted : 28/11/2025 2:55 am
Pe3d
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RE: 5T XL - Bring back the old bed leveling

Hi,
Thats alot of Filament Dips.
Something very soft?

A Work around for your Problem could be to reduce the Temperature of your hotend Manual during probing.

GL

Posted : 28/11/2025 5:04 pm
Pe3d
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RE: 5T XL - Bring back the old bed leveling

Did you pass the bed heating time or skipped it?

Posted : 28/11/2025 5:06 pm
Pe3d
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RE: 5T XL - Bring back the old bed leveling

Did you pass the bed heating time or skipped it?

Posted : 28/11/2025 5:08 pm
ErikSimon
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RE: 5T XL - Bring back the old bed leveling

I got the dual tool head version. It has over 500 hours of flawless printing. And after the release of 6.4.0+11974 it wont even start printing due to failing on cleaning the nozzle or probing the bed, its also doing those circle motions but mine isnt leaving any trail of filament. So much for a stable version.... I've atm reverting back to 6.2.6+9848 that has been working flawless for me. 

Posted : 29/11/2025 11:12 pm
Gilles buildmaster
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RE: 5T XL - Bring back the old bed leveling

Yup, same here. I did not have a single print that did not fail on nozzle cleaning. On top of that I had a random tool crash. 

Posted : 30/11/2025 8:14 pm
Wile
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RE: 5T XL - Bring back the old bed leveling

Yup, This started happening to me immediately after updated to 6.4.0. Going to downgrade the firmware.

Posted : 02/12/2025 8:07 am
Wile
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RE: 5T XL - Bring back the old bed leveling

Rolled back to firmware 6.2.6. That resolved the issue for me.

Posted : 02/12/2025 8:13 am
1Eye
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RE: 5T XL - Bring back the old bed leveling

For me the Nozzle cleaning failure happens no matter what; skip the heat soak or not. The filament is PETG and yes, its not the driest thing I could be using but I've never had this problem in the past. The most frustrating thing about this is that the process makes no sense. The tool leaves the dock and there is nothing on the end of the nozzle. It then moves to the center of the build plate where it heats up and begins to ooze filament out. It then cools down with this new mess hanging off the end and THEN starts to 'clean the nozzle'. It was fine before this process. What am I doing wrong here that this process is supposed to be a benefit?

Posted : 02/12/2025 9:29 pm
1Eye
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RE: 5T XL - Bring back the old bed leveling

For me its this process:

  1. "Absorbing heat". Nozzle moves to front of build plate. 5-7 minutes. 
  2. "Waiting for hotend". Nozzle heats to 175.
  3. "Waiting for hotend." Nozzle moves to center of build plate. Nozzle heats to 230. Filament begins to ooze/extrude/coil around the nozzle. 
  4. "Waiting for hotend." Nozzle cools to 175. Still in center of build plate. Nozzle still has all the filament now hanging from it but cooler. 
  5. Printer begins probing around the center of the build plate with filament clinging to the nozzle. 
  6. 'Nozzle cleaning failed". 

This makes NO sense. If you want to heat up the nozzle and get things moving, do it over the end of the build plate and then wipe it on the edge of the build plate before you cool down.

Posted : 02/12/2025 10:20 pm
1Eye
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RE: 5T XL - Bring back the old bed leveling

7. Bonus frustration time: "Probing bed". If you are lucky, it just probes the bed. If not, you get the 20+ minute nightmare mentioned above. 

I used to hit print and walk away. If I have to sit around for every print start and babysit the start up process this printer is going in the trash. 

Posted : 02/12/2025 10:27 pm
JC
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RE: 5T XL - Bring back the old bed leveling - workaround

I have the same problem... I can't print flexibles normally on the XL with the new firmware. But a work around if you have a spare toolhead. Put an easy filament (I use rapid PETG because I have it handy, PLA would also probably work) in tool head one and add a small one-layer object to your print using that toolhead (I add a text object that is a dash and set the depth to the layer height). This causes the printer to clean and bed level with the toolhead with the easy material, which usually works for me. Then your main print with your desired material can proceed.

But this is a serious flaw / bug... we should be able to print flexibles normally.

Posted : 08/12/2025 12:35 am
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