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pinklemonade
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Consistently Unconsistent Y Axis Belt on Factory Assembled Printer

Printer is MK3S Prusa Assembled. Long story short - print failed, some filament got jammed in the hotend, cleaned up, reassembled, then after a few weeks layer shifting happened. We had a few power fluctuations so thought nothing of it due to storms, and it just never got better once we left the stormy weather.

This printer is in the Prusa enclosure, which, in my personal opinion, is the biggest pain factor when needing to do ANY repairs to this thing. Do not recommend unless you enjoy constantly taking out everything to see the back or underside of the printer. Anyway...

I have redone the calibration I don't know how many times and everything is perpendicular. I loosened the y-belt a smidge per assembly instructions, and that doesn't seem to do much at all and the belt is still below 260. I managed to get it to 264, it printed a decent benchy, then a second benchy test it shifted layers again. It is now unable to go past 220 and I see nothing in its way on the rods or undercarriage. If I'm lucky it changes back down to 211. :') (sarcasm). Firmware was updated to the latest, as well, just in case.

I cleaned the rods and added a bit of lubricant in case it needed some, as this particular printer will often go for days on a single print and it's been rather dry and hot here. Made no difference.

I'm honestly at a loss about what else to try. My original mk3 printer that I assembled has been through hell and back with me and thus far continues to print, but the Prusa assembled one just has no forgiveness. Any other suggestions would be super helpful 🙁

Attached are images of the very sad Benchy:

y axis issue benchy

Publié : 21/10/2024 9:28 pm
JoanTabb
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RE: Consistently Unconsistent Y Axis Belt on Factory Assembled Printer

is it possible that your motor pulley is a little loose. do not use the ball end of your allen key, it may crack the thin walls of the grub screw!

one grub screw should be firmly tightened against the flat on the motor spindle, the other, should be firmly tightened against the curve of the motor shaft
 
regards Joan

I try to make safe suggestions,You should understand the context and ensure you are happy that they are safe before attempting to apply my suggestions, what you do, is YOUR responsibility. Location Halifax UK

Publié : 22/10/2024 10:09 am
pinklemonade
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Topic starter answered:
RE: Consistently Unconsistent Y Axis Belt on Factory Assembled Printer

That's what I thought might be the issue, but everything was already pretty tight. I'm at a loss as to what happened.

Publié : 22/10/2024 5:43 pm
JoanTabb
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RE: Consistently Unconsistent Y Axis Belt on Factory Assembled Printer

are you getting error messages?
collisions? 

regards Joan

I try to make safe suggestions,You should understand the context and ensure you are happy that they are safe before attempting to apply my suggestions, what you do, is YOUR responsibility. Location Halifax UK

Publié : 22/10/2024 6:31 pm
pinklemonade
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Topic starter answered:
RE: Consistently Unconsistent Y Axis Belt on Factory Assembled Printer

Nope, no collisions reported when I do the benchy test. The only error is when the y axis is calibrated via the wizard or using just the belt test.

Publié : 22/10/2024 6:43 pm
JoanTabb
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RE: Consistently Unconsistent Y Axis Belt on Factory Assembled Printer

Odd....  
Wonder if anyone else has ideas
regards Joan

I try to make safe suggestions,You should understand the context and ensure you are happy that they are safe before attempting to apply my suggestions, what you do, is YOUR responsibility. Location Halifax UK

Publié : 22/10/2024 6:47 pm
pinklemonade
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Topic starter answered:
RE: Consistently Unconsistent Y Axis Belt on Factory Assembled Printer

I sure hope so 🙁 This is the first time I have been completely stumped myself.

I went back to see comments on the assembly for the y-axis, used the 'business card' test to make sure the y axis pulley had the right gap by the motor as per step 32, and that is perfect.

I'm just at a complete loss. If I had someone near me I'd be bringing this to them in a heartbeat to help. lol

Publié : 22/10/2024 6:52 pm
pinklemonade
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RE: Consistently Unconsistent Y Axis Belt on Factory Assembled Printer

For further ref, here are my stats on the printer. I made sure y axis was tight again, ran a full calibration, and this time it passed. Benchy however, looks no different.

 

screen 1 screen2 screen 3 screen 4

Publié : 22/10/2024 8:57 pm
Diem
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Your filament is damp but that's not the cause of this problem.

The belt tension figure is a measure of the resistance felt by the stepper when moving the axis. On a correctly set up machine this does equate, roughly, to belt tension.

But other things can affect mechanical resistance.

For each axis, with the power off, move the axis by hand; is it smooth? Does the resistance stay the same over the whole range?

Check the idler pulley is not clogged, out of line, or damaged (loosen the belt and try turning it with your fingertip, is it smooth?)

With the belt loose try turning the stepper motor by hand; is it smooth? You should feel the steps but no grating.

Make your next print this:

https://www.prusaprinters.org/prints/46639-tension-meter-for-the-gt2-belts-of-i3-mk3s-or-prus

It MUST be printed in Prusament PETG or the spring tension will be wrong.

Cheerio,

Publié : 23/10/2024 12:58 am
pinklemonade
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RE: Consistently Unconsistent Y Axis Belt on Factory Assembled Printer

Thanks for your response!

Yes, as stated in my original posts I did all the mechanical tests. There is no resistance, and it's been lubricated as well. The pulley is not clogged or out of line or damaged in any way. I checked it all against to the assembly instructions to be sure (though I don't think the Prusa team would assemble something so haphazardly and send it).

The filament is not damp. It's fresh out of the box.

I printed the frog model last night and it looks like just the first 15% was shifted in the y-axis; the rest was fine. Much improved from previous prints, so going to just minimally adjust everything now (x, y, extruder idler, etc) and see what happens.

Publié : 23/10/2024 1:50 pm
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