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Armand
(@armand)
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Nozzle X

Hi

    I recently built my MK3s+ kit and had many fun hours calibrating that first layer, and testing PLA prints and doing some initial prints.

 As a first time owner of a 3D printer I must say what a journey of a learning curve, I would like to start trying other PLA materials which  I've seen for example Filaments that contains abrasive materials such as carbon , metal filled or glow in the dark filaments would need a hardened nozzle.

So I started looking around and I'm considering the Nozzle X, so my questions are

1. Is this nozzle worth it

2. Can one use this nozzle as a permanent replacement of the brass 0.4mm nozzle, thus not needing to swap between brass and hardened nozzles when required

3. What's is your experience with the Nozzle or can you recommend other hardened nozzles which one can look at

 

 

Thanks

Posted : 11/11/2021 8:36 am
Lichtjaeger
(@lichtjaeger)
Noble Member
RE: Nozzle X

I only use Nozzle X nozzles on my printers. No problems.

But e3D already announced the successor for the Nozzle X:

Also, some guys swear by tungsten nozzles.

Posted : 11/11/2021 9:08 am
Armand
(@armand)
Eminent Member
Topic starter answered:
RE: Nozzle X

Thanks for the reply , the new ObXidian looks promising , just wonder how true the none replacement part would be, then again does one wait until the end of the year to buy a nozzle that will not wear off ....  

On the Nozzle X , do you need to heat the hotend up more than a brass nozzle when using different types of filaments vs the filament manufactures recommendation ?

Posted : 11/11/2021 9:52 am
Lichtjaeger
(@lichtjaeger)
Noble Member
RE: Nozzle X

I do not heat more, but I reduced the max volumetric speed for my filament profiles a bit.

Posted : 11/11/2021 11:35 am
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Neophyl
(@neophyl)
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RE: Nozzle X

I have a 0.4mm nozzle x permanently (it seems) on my mk3.  I do have it printing hotter though.  Basically I tuned and saved my own filament profiles and they are all 5-10 degrees higher than normal.  

I generally print as hot as I can before stringing when I calibrate for a new filament as I tend to print functional parts and I want the layer bond as strong as I can reasonably get it.  So for example my generic PLA profile is set to 215, Silk filaments I print at 225, Theres one pla that is supposed to print at up to 225 and I use 230.  Petg is set for 250 etc.

Posted : 11/11/2021 12:00 pm
fuchsr
(@fuchsr)
Famed Member
RE: Nozzle X

The nozzle X is certainly a viable option, including as a permanent replacement for the standard brass nozzle. As others said, it may require adjustments to temperature or MVS etc (and it did in my hands).

The other question to consider though is, how much do you intend to print those "exotic" materials? As much fun as I had fun printing with glow-in-the-dark or metal filled filaments, I print mostly objects that don't require such filaments. Might be cheaper to just burn through one or two brass nozzles with a few spools of those materials than going Nozzle X and spending the time to establish new profiles. A couple of spools of GITD or metal shouldn't kill your nozzle (well, maybe I just got lucky...). 

But if you intend to print such stuff regularly, yeah, by all means get a Nozzle X or a tungsten nozzle. 

Posted : 11/11/2021 12:12 pm
Eric E
(@eric-e)
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No to Nozzle X

Nozzle X is coated, and you can't cold pull.  A cold pull will peel off the coating,  ruining it.  Yuck.

https://help.prusa3d.com/en/article/different-nozzle-types_2193/

Nozzle X should not be maintained the same way as a hardened steel or copper nozzles.

An acupuncture needle or a brass brush can damage the coating.

Cold-pulls. Can tear off the WS2 coating.

-> Get a tungsten carbide like this one.  You don't need new profiles.  Just pop it in, and print all day with any filament.

https://www.3dmakerengineering.com/collections/3d-printer-nozzles/products/tungsten-carbide-3d-printer-nozzle

Buy the right stuff and call it a day.

Don’t trust forum advice.

Posted : 11/11/2021 12:32 pm
Armand
(@armand)
Eminent Member
Topic starter answered:
RE: Nozzle X

 

Posted by: @eric-e

Nozzle X is coated, and you can't cold pull.  A cold pull will peel off the coating,  ruining it.  Yuck.

https://help.prusa3d.com/en/article/different-nozzle-types_2193/

Nozzle X should not be maintained the same way as a hardened steel or copper nozzles.

An acupuncture needle or a brass brush can damage the coating.

Cold-pulls. Can tear off the WS2 coating.

-> Get a tungsten carbide like this one.  You don't need new profiles.  Just pop it in, and print all day with any filament.

https://www.3dmakerengineering.com/collections/3d-printer-nozzles/products/tungsten-carbide-3d-printer-nozzle

Buy the right stuff and call it a day.

Thanks for the alternative view, I will look into this, as this is also some good points to consider 

Posted : 11/11/2021 2:47 pm
Armand
(@armand)
Eminent Member
Topic starter answered:
RE: Nozzle X

 

Posted by: @fuchsr

The nozzle X is certainly a viable option, including as a permanent replacement for the standard brass nozzle. As others said, it may require adjustments to temperature or MVS etc (and it did in my hands).

The other question to consider though is, how much do you intend to print those "exotic" materials? As much fun as I had fun printing with glow-in-the-dark or metal filled filaments, I print mostly objects that don't require such filaments. Might be cheaper to just burn through one or two brass nozzles with a few spools of those materials than going Nozzle X and spending the time to establish new profiles. A couple of spools of GITD or metal shouldn't kill your nozzle (well, maybe I just got lucky...). 

But if you intend to print such stuff regularly, yeah, by all means get a Nozzle X or a tungsten nozzle. 

True , probably in the end I will be printing more with PETG as most of the stuff that I intend to do will be more functional parts as well,
So yeah one or two brass nozzles might be cheaper to use as you said

Posted : 11/11/2021 2:50 pm
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