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alex.a5
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uneven z lines

Hi,
Built my MK2s printer last week and has mostly been a smooth ride. Had a few issues, which I found solutions for on this forum!!
Very helpful.

Haven't seen a solution to this one thought.

Have I gotten a X&Y perpendicular message in the calibrations, doubled checked my axis and tightened all bolts.
No noticeable wobble when it's moving.

I get these anomalies on all my prints, sometimes worse.... (i sanded them down.. forgot to take a screenshot)

So i printed this little octogon to show the lines. Any ideas what i can do?
This is Prusa white PLA.
have adjusted the flow... no luck.

printed @ 2.0mm using Prusa Control.

Thanks for your help!

Posted : 14/08/2017 2:56 pm
AJS
 AJS
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Re: uneven z lines

There are a number of possible causes for this.

Some are within the slicer, some are mechanical.

Do you get these on pre-sliced model or only ones you sliced?

Check here for some common causes:

http://shop.prusa3d.com/forum/prusa-i3-kit-building-calibrating-first-print-main-f6/-before-you-ask-troubleshooting-video-updated--t472.html#p39190

Let us know if not these and we can check more.

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Posted : 14/08/2017 9:29 pm
alex.a5
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Topic starter answered:
Re: uneven z lines

So,
I've gone through the link.
I've done the 2 temperature calibrations.

I adjusted the y and x belts, made sure the idlers were aligned better.

This is another model i sliced with prusa control, same as the picture before.

I've done full z calibration, printing the squares and aligning them.

My belts arn't loose,

I adjusted the y belt position by a mm front and back, (i was off from the build instructions)

please advice

thanks for your help!

Posted : 15/08/2017 2:24 pm
PJR
 PJR
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Re: uneven z lines

As Aaron has suggested, print one of the pre-sliced models from the SD card (Adalinda or the Castle).

Peter

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Posted : 15/08/2017 2:36 pm
alex.a5
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Topic starter answered:
Re: uneven z lines

hmmm okay... i'll print Adalinda tonight... (it's 11pm atm),
don't want to print the castle if i don't have to... thats 23hrs~

if i have time in the morning i'll upload a pic
thanks

Posted : 15/08/2017 2:53 pm
Hackinistrator
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Re: uneven z lines

you need to print something with flat vertical surface .printing adalinda wont help much , just a waste of filament .

if its repeating pattern that changes depending on your part size , then it could be uneven filament diameter .
try printing same part at different locations on the bed

Posted : 15/08/2017 8:18 pm
alex.a5
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Topic starter answered:
Re: uneven z lines

For the most part the adalinda dragon came out good!. Some of the lines are still present.

So the image i posted above. I printed two of them... and the pattern seams to be identical. Havent tried a different part of the bed yet.

Posted : 16/08/2017 12:53 am
alex.a5
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Topic starter answered:
Re: uneven z lines
Posted : 16/08/2017 12:56 am
AJS
 AJS
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Re: uneven z lines

So, I think we need to focus on your slicer settings.

Please post your settings for the prints with stripes.

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Posted : 16/08/2017 6:24 am
alex.a5
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Topic starter answered:
Re: uneven z lines

As i said earlier, was using prusa control... so the settings are limited.
I can switch to the Prusa Slic3r edition and print slice with that.

On the prusa control, i'm just adding Brim and settings it to 0.2mm with a 20% fill

Posted : 16/08/2017 7:38 am
AJS
 AJS
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Re: uneven z lines

What temperature are you printing at?

How does that compare to the temp of the pre-sliced file that printed well?

My suggestion is to check temperature and speeds. I don't use Prusa Control so I can't help specifically.

Try one of your models but slow the print down to 80% from the front panel and see if that helps.

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Posted : 16/08/2017 4:59 pm
Jordan
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Re: uneven z lines


So, I think we need to focus on your slicer settings.

Please post your settings for the prints with stripes.

Out of curiosity as I've had similar problems, are there any specific settings you look for when there are shifted Z layers?

Jordan

Posted : 16/08/2017 7:15 pm
alex.a5
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Topic starter answered:
Re: uneven z lines

Been printing at the default 210 deg.

Ok. So i sliced the model in slic3r prusa edition and the results are much better !
Still displays some lines but its much butter.

The picture attached left is prusa control. settings 0.2mm 20% infill 210 deg.

Slicer i tried to set the same. Using the latest preset from github.

Posted : 17/08/2017 1:13 am
alex.a5
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Topic starter answered:
Re: uneven z lines

Sending from my phone. Couldnt attach txt file.
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Posted : 17/08/2017 1:14 am
alex.a5
(@alex-a5)
Active Member
Topic starter answered:
Re: uneven z lines

reading online,
i should try a temperature tower, and find the best temp to print this filament at. I read that white pla can string easily?
so many a lower temp might solve the remainder of my issues.

Any thoughts?

Posted : 17/08/2017 6:07 am
AJS
 AJS
(@ajs)
Noble Member
Re: uneven z lines

Temperature is a variable that you should look into, for your filament.

Most PLA's are quite forgiving, but I have had some minor sensitivities with both a white and a red.

Any advices given are offered in good faith. It is your responsibility to ensure that by following my advice you do not suffer or cause injury, damage or loss. If you solve your problem, please post the solution…

Posted : 17/08/2017 4:15 pm
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