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Tiago
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0.3mm still worth for big objects?

Hello, With MK3 0.3mm Layer Height gone from Slic3r, because 0.2mm already have the maximum feed rate, still can worth create the 0.3mm profile (clone from 0.2mm) and increate it to 0.3mm? Objective is faster printing large objects.

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Napsal : 06/02/2018 12:03 am
jweaver
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Re: 0.3mm still worth for big objects?

I would say so. I use 0.3mm on ky Prinrbot all the time when making objects that do mot have detail (i.e washers).

I assume that 0.3mm is 33% faster than 0.2mm as it would print 1/3 less layers.

Napsal : 06/02/2018 12:12 am
Kwaad2
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Re: 0.3mm still worth for big objects?


I would say so. I use 0.3mm on ky Prinrbot all the time when making objects that do mot have detail (i.e washers).

I assume that 0.3mm is 33% faster than 0.2mm as it would print 1/3 less layers.

Incorrect. The Prusa when printing at speed, pushes near max flow with 0.2mm. And 0.3mm is well past the flow-limit. Josef actually removed the 0.3mm profile from Slic3r PE, because the .2mm layer profile was the same speed or faster I think... I'll see if I can find where Josef posted that.

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Napsal : 06/02/2018 1:41 am
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Re: 0.3mm still worth for big objects?



I would say so. I use 0.3mm on ky Prinrbot all the time when making objects that do mot have detail (i.e washers).

I assume that 0.3mm is 33% faster than 0.2mm as it would print 1/3 less layers.

Incorrect. The Prusa when printing at speed, pushes near max flow with 0.2mm. And 0.3mm is well past the flow-limit. Josef actually removed the 0.3mm profile from Slic3r PE, because the .2mm layer profile was the same speed or faster I think... I'll see if I can find where Josef posted that.

Volumetric flow max is only reached when printing infill at high speed, other parts like perimeter, curves, first layer, etc. will print faster in 0.3mm.

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Napsal : 06/02/2018 2:02 am
HackMonkey
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Re: 0.3mm still worth for big objects?

Agreed, there are still many situations where .3mm is viable, and does offer a marked reduction in print time. Bonus, the MK3 produces fantastic results at .3mm also. The majority of my prints are at .3mm layer height. I have created a separate profile in Slic3r PE that is .3mm height, and uses widths between .5mm & .7mm, it produces very strong parts, in a much shorter time. Note that most of my prints are more mechanical in function, and not detailed models.


Volumetric flow max is only reached when printing infill at high speed, other parts like perimeter, curves, first layer, etc. will print faster in 0.3mm.

Napsal : 07/02/2018 10:16 pm
Tiago
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Re: 0.3mm still worth for big objects?


Agreed, there are still many situations where .3mm is viable, and does offer a marked reduction in print time. Bonus, the MK3 produces fantastic results at .3mm also. The majority of my prints are at .3mm layer height. I have created a separate profile in Slic3r PE that is .3mm height, and uses widths between .5mm & .7mm, it produces very strong parts, in a much shorter time. Note that most of my prints are more mechanical in function, and not detailed models.


Volumetric flow max is only reached when printing infill at high speed, other parts like perimeter, curves, first layer, etc. will print faster in 0.3mm.

How do you configured the profile?

Napsal : 07/02/2018 11:45 pm
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 ron
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Re: 0.3mm still worth for big objects?

Personally, I created a 0.25mm profile for big parts. I then keep some good overhang capabilities. External perimeter width set to 0.6mm to go to 50° overhang with 50% cover of the previous layer.
As I mainly print PETG now instead of ABS for chemical resistance and PETG is limited to 10mm3/s, I don't loose too much time with 0.25 layer height.

Napsal : 07/02/2018 11:56 pm
Tiago
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Topic starter answered:
Re: 0.3mm still worth for big objects?


Personally, I created a 0.25mm profile for big parts. I then keep some good overhang capabilities. External perimeter width set to 0.6mm to go to 50° overhang with 50% cover of the previous layer.
As I mainly print PETG now instead of ABS for chemical resistance and PETG is limited to 10mm3/s, I don't loose too much time with 0.25 layer height.

So you copied the 0.2mm profile and only change Height and External perimeter?
EDIT: I tried that and print come out very good with PETG

Napsal : 08/02/2018 12:14 am
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Re: 0.3mm still worth for big objects?



Personally, I created a 0.25mm profile for big parts. I then keep some good overhang capabilities. External perimeter width set to 0.6mm to go to 50° overhang with 50% cover of the previous layer.
As I mainly print PETG now instead of ABS for chemical resistance and PETG is limited to 10mm3/s, I don't loose too much time with 0.25 layer height.

So you copied the 0.2mm profile and only change Height and External perimeter?
EDIT: I tried that and print come out very good with PETG

I still not tried the new alpha release of slic3r PE which include a new accurate printing time but I would then tweak my values easily to see the impact of parameters on time.
My 0.25 profile for now:

  • Default extrusion width: 0.5

  • First Layer: 0.45

  • Perimeters: 0.5

  • External perimeters: 0.6 (Overhang 50°)

  • Infill: 0.55 (Overhang 48°, may be increased for cubic infill)

  • Solid infill: 0.5

  • Top solid infill: 0.5

  • Support material: 0.45 (large needed for Colorfabb XT viscosity)

  • Overlaps: 40% (needed for Colorfabb XT viscosity)

  • Perimeters: 100 (max flow 12.5, capped to 10 for PETG)

  • Small perimeters: 30 (max flow 3.8)

  • External perimeters: 50 (max flow 7.5)

  • Infill: 100 (max flow 13.8, capped to 10 for PETG)

  • Solid infill: 100 (max flow 12.5, capped to 10 for PETG)

  • Top solid infill: 40 (max flow 5.0)

  • Support material: 60 (max flow 6.8)

  • Bridges: 20 (max flow 2.4)

  • Gap fill: 40 (max flow 5.0)

  • First Layer: 22 ( max flow 2.0, keep low to increase first layer adhesion success)
  • If you do ABS or PLA, there is more gain with 0.3 profile.

    Napsal : 08/02/2018 11:49 am
    Peter
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    Re: 0.3mm still worth for big objects?

    I think PR still uses 0.3 mm layer height in their printer farm. At least my MK3 parts are 0.3 - although we don't know how much of a buffer they have on printed parts.

    Napsal : 08/02/2018 3:14 pm
    HackMonkey
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    Re: 0.3mm still worth for big objects?

    The .35mm FAST profile is still available in Slic3r PE, if you click the green flag to access the incompatible presets.
    I took the .35mm, brought it down to .30mm.
    Then on the advanced settings:
    Default width: .5
    First Layer: .5
    Perimeters: .5
    External Perimeters: .6
    Infill: .7
    Solid Infill: .7
    Top: Solid Infill: .5
    Overlap : 25%

    It really squirts out the plastic, but does a great job on structural parts.



    Agreed, there are still many situations where .3mm is viable, and does offer a marked reduction in print time. Bonus, the MK3 produces fantastic results at .3mm also. The majority of my prints are at .3mm layer height. I have created a separate profile in Slic3r PE that is .3mm height, and uses widths between .5mm & .7mm, it produces very strong parts, in a much shorter time. Note that most of my prints are more mechanical in function, and not detailed models.

    How do you configured the profile?

    Napsal : 10/02/2018 4:58 am
    Tiago
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    Topic starter answered:
    Re: 0.3mm still worth for big objects?


    The .35mm FAST profile is still available in Slic3r PE, if you click the green flag to access the incompatible presets.
    I took the .35mm, brought it down to .30mm.
    Then on the advanced settings:
    Default width: .5
    First Layer: .5
    Perimeters: .5
    External Perimeters: .6
    Infill: .7
    Solid Infill: .7
    Top: Solid Infill: .5
    Overlap : 25%

    It really squirts out the plastic, but does a great job on structural parts.



    Agreed, there are still many situations where .3mm is viable, and does offer a marked reduction in print time. Bonus, the MK3 produces fantastic results at .3mm also. The majority of my prints are at .3mm layer height. I have created a separate profile in Slic3r PE that is .3mm height, and uses widths between .5mm & .7mm, it produces very strong parts, in a much shorter time. Note that most of my prints are more mechanical in function, and not detailed models.

    How do you configured the profile?

    Great i will test that preset soon, for Vases and 0% infill 0.3mm will benefit right?

    Napsal : 10/02/2018 5:45 pm
    HackMonkey
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    Re: 0.3mm still worth for big objects?


    Great i will test that preset soon, for Vases and 0% infill 0.3mm will benefit right?

    The couple vases I have done came out fantastic!

    Napsal : 15/02/2018 12:20 pm
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