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alistair.b
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Printing head catches print and removes it from PEI sheet

Hey everyone,

I built my printer some time ago, I had some layer shifting issues then ended up moving around. I've finally had time to get it all set up and now I am having some printing issues.

I've been trying to print a few bits and bobs but I am noticing that print head will sometimes catch the print/scrap against the print and this disconnects it from the PEI bed.

Crash detection never goes off, suggesting there isnt a great adherence to the bed. I am printing in PLA, currently trying to print this, https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:925556 but 3 times and no success.

I've been using isopropyl wipes on the bed to keep it in nice condition as suggested by my manual. I'm new to printing so still learning as I go. I have only ever printed 5 things, all of which are in this Prusa PLA material.

I just wondered if anyone could offer me any tips? I wondered if maybe the bed needs to be hotter in Slic3r? Should it even be catching the print while its printing? It's somewhat worrying me.

Thanks

Posted : 21/10/2018 8:11 pm
markus.i2
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Re: Printing head catches print and removes it from PEI sheet

I'm similarly new. It would help if you could show a picture - but I had similar problems. Since I did all the first layer calibration stuff https://shop.prusa3d.com/forum/assembly-and-first-prints-troubleshooting-f62/life-adjust-z-my-way-t2981.html and also wiped the print bed with Isopropanol (and once Acetone), I believed that there couldn't be anything wrong with my print bed.

Oh boy. Finally convinced myself to take the steel sheet to the kitchen sink and give it a wash with warm water, a new sponge and some dish soap. And what a difference that made. All those streaks and smears, which were still visible after iso and acetone were gone, the water just ran smoothly off the bed - and the PLA stuck to it like on the first day.

Posted : 21/10/2018 8:40 pm
bobstro
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Re: Printing head catches print and removes it from PEI sheet


[...] I've been trying to print a few bits and bobs but I am noticing that print head will sometimes catch the print/scrap against the print and this disconnects it from the PEI bed.
The nozzle physically scraping the print can be caused by a couple of things:

  • If it happens on early layers, your Live-Z may be set to low. This can cause filament to scrape off and accumulate on the nozzle, and over time, snag the print. If you have not already done so, the "Life Adjust" procedure is recommended for Live-Z adjustment. It's much easier to use and understand than the on-board Live-Z routine.

  • You might be over-extruding. You may need to tweak the extrusion multiplier on a filament-by-filament basis.
  • You may have one or both of these issues contributing to your failed prints.

    Crash detection never goes off, suggesting there isnt a great adherence to the bed. That does sound like the print is just coming loose and moving about.

    I am printing in PLA, currently trying to print this, https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:925556 but 3 times and no success. That is a fairly ambitious print. I'd suggest spending some time with smaller calibration prints to be sure you've got a solid foundation before trying anything that ambitious.

    I've been using isopropyl wipes on the bed to keep it in nice condition as suggested by my manual.The 2 wipes I received with my Prusa printer were 70% isopropyl alcohol. You'll want to pick up some 91%+ isopropyl for effective bed cleaning. If adhesion starts to weaken, try these things in this order:

  • Wipe bed down with 91%+ isopropyl alcohol. Do this regularly but not necessarily every print. Definitely do this immediately after you’ve handled the sheet.

  • Wipe bed down with 100% acetone. Perhaps monthly. Acetone is tough on the PEI surface, so don’t over-use it.

  • Wash under sink with dish soap. The previous methods are good at removing grease. This will wash away anything else that may have accumulated. Repeat when wiping with alcohol or acetone fail to help.

  • Rough up the surface. Use a very mild abrasive pad and very lightly rough up the surface. I like the 3M Scotch-Brite 7445 pads. Obviously, don’t do this too often.
  • The most important thing is to keep the bed clean and avoid touching it at all costs. It sounds like you've done some of these steps already, so I'd suggest starting with a dunk under the kitchen sink with some dish soap and making sure any accumulated crud is washed off.

    [...] I wondered if maybe the bed needs to be hotter in Slic3r? A hotter bed can help with adhesion issues, but the Prusa defaults are already pretty warm (60-65C for PLA IIRC) which is getting close the temps it will deform at. You might wind up with the elephant's foot resulting from softened 1st layer material over the course of the print.

    You can try adding a brim to prints you're having trouble with, although I find I rarely need to bother if I've calibrated my Live-Z and prepared the bed properly.

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    Posted : 21/10/2018 9:52 pm
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