Pig tail is impossible to print
Hi all,
New to this (3D printing), and also the needed seetings for different objects and with different fillaments.
Trying to print the pig tail from https://www.prusaprinters.org/prints/398-pig/files - but failing every single time.
The settings I used initially was the standard settings you get when choosing the PLA Fillament for the provider (which in my case was 215/60).
Tried to change the Print Settings in Prusa Slicer to 0.15mm Quality instead of 0.05mm Ultra Detail, and also changing the "other layers" temp to 50 degrees for the bed.
I use glue on the bed by the way.
The result is a hair ball of fillament basically. Sometimes I'm lucky and get it to print 5-10mm high objects (when they have this small base to stand on) - and then the fillament starts to create a mess of everything. The piece I'm printing sometimes fall over before the mess starts, and sometimes the mess starts before the piece falls over.
I also tried to print a small piece of Lego (a 2x2 which can be found here), and the middle circle does the same thing. Looses it's position (probably) for some reason and then the mess starts.. again.. and again.
Anyone that have a suggestion for me on what to try, or maybe someone experienced this and knows the presumed solution?
I'd be happy for any help. Quite frustrated now.
I can print larger objects with no big problem. Have some issues with Flex fillament, but I haven't had the time to try many different settings so far - so I should probably just get back on that later. But this current problem with PLA fillament would be great to leave behind me.
Best Answer by JoanTabb:
you could turn off Elephant's foot compensation, and use sat a 5mm brim, to give more support to the small contact patch on the build plate. this would make the part, less likely to fall over reducing the chances of a furball re occurring
regards Joan
RE: Pig tail is impossible to print
you could turn off Elephant's foot compensation, and use sat a 5mm brim, to give more support to the small contact patch on the build plate. this would make the part, less likely to fall over reducing the chances of a furball re occurring
regards Joan
I try to make safe suggestions,You should understand the context and ensure you are happy that they are safe before attempting to apply my suggestions, what you do, is YOUR responsibility. Location Halifax UK
RE: Pig tail is impossible to print
As another data point, unless your smooth sheet is fresh out of an acetone bath that tail will be difficult to print without a brim. Even then, you'd need to slow down the print - a lot - maybe even pause between layers. While printing something that's a few mm in diameter and 50 mm tall without a brim isn't impossible, it is in the damned difficult category.
RE: Pig tail is impossible to print
I was curious ... lol ... and the printer was idle and loaded with cheap filament:
This is on my TheKing textured sheet - holds prints about the same as the smooth PEI.
RE: Pig tail is impossible to print
@joantabb
Oh, that's sounds like a great advice. Is this Something I do with Prusa Slicer, or directly with the printer?
Sorry for the noob questions.. 🤗
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@tim-2
Aaah - you took the time to do it. Thanks for giving it a go.
What were the setting you used? And - did you slow down the printer? Also - how was that done?
I saw something about setting the speed of the printer when connected via cable, but the command failed when I was trying to use it. I haven't found elsewhere to set the speed.
Thanks Tim! 😊
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@pdot
This is done in slicer to turn off "Elephant foot compensation" go to print settings/advanced/Elephant foot compensation: and set it to Zero.
to set the brim go to print settings/Skirt and brim/ brim width: 5 if your following Joan's recommendation. I would also set skirt height to Zero while in the same window.
and Tim was kind enough to print an example for you on a different kind of build surface with different settings, but atleast pointed out that it is possible to print, so load it up try Joan's settings and good luck.
Make sure you have a clean build surface before your attempt, I know you'll do OK.
Swiss_Cheese
The Filament Whisperer
RE: Pig tail is impossible to print
@swiss_cheese
Perfect!! Thank you for the explanation - I will do another run as soon as I get back home. 🙂
It's really awesome to get the help from you all - and when I have more experience I will make sure to pay it forward. 🙂
Can I just ask you about the build surface while at it?
I have the double sided metal Prusa heatbed. Is this one enough for most prints, or just good enough for some prints?
Should I get another one, and what is important to understand with them? Is there a place for me to read about it so that I don't ask stupid questions to you guys? 🙂
RE: Pig tail is impossible to print
Oh, that's sounds like a great advice. Is this Something I do with Prusa Slicer, or directly with the printer?
Sorry for the noob questions.. 🤗
It seems folk don't quite realize how valuable the Printing Handbook that comes with Prusa printers is and they fail to read it cover to cover, then they wonder why things seem so difficult to print and have questions like this that are basic steps the handbook points out to new users.
https://www.prusa3d.com/downloads/manual/prusa3d_manual_mk3s_en.pdf page 17.
RE: Pig tail is impossible to print
And of course there is also the Knowledge Base for Prusa Slicer which is not nearly publicized well enough https://help.prusa3d.com/en/category/prusaslicer_204
RE: Pig tail is impossible to print
@tim-2
And if the heat build up makes you have to pause between layers (good trick that is though), you can get the same cooling effect of the pause by printing 5 or 6 of them at once.
RE: Pig tail is impossible to print
Oh, that's sounds like a great advice. Is this Something I do with Prusa Slicer, or directly with the printer?
Sorry for the noob questions.. 🤗
It seems folk don't quite realize how valuable the Printing Handbook that comes with Prusa printers is and they fail to read it cover to cover, then they wonder why things seem so difficult to print and have questions like this that are basic steps the handbook points out to new users.
https://www.prusa3d.com/downloads/manual/prusa3d_manual_mk3s_en.pdf page 17.
Hehe... Well - I actually did read it cover to cover - but for some reason I didn't understand everything making it hard to connect the dots so to speak. When I read noob-info after getting some experience, everything is much more clear to me. I might be a bit dumb then - but I actually did read the book, but failed to learn. Sorry for the questions! :/
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@neophyl
Thanks! 🙂 Will have more look into the KB as well! Good pointer!
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@dan-rogers
Ah - great add! Thanks!
RE: Pig tail is impossible to print
you could turn off Elephant's foot compensation, and use sat a 5mm brim, to give more support to the small contact patch on the build plate. this would make the part, less likely to fall over reducing the chances of a furball re occurring
regards Joan
Thanks a lot @joantabb - this worked perfectly! 🙂
Very happy for a forum in which there are people that really want to help others and not only point elsewhere. Love that about certain forums, and this is just the response needed to help others in the future when having more experience myself. 🙂
So - thanks!! 🙂
