Goodbye fariwell and peace out  

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Strange.. im complete 3d printer noob. I got the kit, and i didnt event assembeld it in the right way ( for example the prusa logo points backward ) and it prints like a dream. Never printed petg youst choosed noname petg profile and the printer spits out parts that looks better then the parts that came with the printer.

The prints come out a bit strange on lower layer hight. But the optimal profile works great.

It feel strange to have so diffrent experience than the rest of this forum. Not so much can differ between the machines. Maybe i youst hade low expectation to begin with becuse this is My first printer

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I think the level of tinkering needs to be defined.

I agree 100%. People see Prusa as a "Great printer", and buy it no questions asked. The thing is, Prusa is a great printer because of all the wrong reasons. (for a non-tinkerer)
The Prusa has the largest community of tinkers, of all the printers. (This was the #1 reason I got mine)
The Prusa is fully open source. This might not mean much to a "non-tinkerer" but to a tinkerer, it means a WHOLE lot.
Both of those points are generally a BAD sign for people who don't want to "tinker".

What I do NOT expect is to have to tinker with custom firmware just to attempt to get: a) features that were advertised or promised to work, and b) the quality I deserve for the price. I do not expect to have to tinker around with redesigning parts or whole assemblies to get a desired level of quality output. I do not expect to have to tinker around with adding wads of duct tape and bubble gum (figuratively) and other band-aid solutions just to get a desired level of quality.

Yeah, they botched the release quite hard. I'm running a custom version of the 3.2A firmware now. (Yeah, I'm going down that one way path of super-hacking)

I think the main theme here though is that the amount of tinkering should not exceed the amount of quality printing you are able to accomplish.

I agree. And one of the biggest issues with this, is Everyone posts how nice their prints are. I can post a picture of something I printed in ABS, with NO heat chamber, and NO post-finishing, with better quality than many people with PLA. I've spent WEEKS fine tuning my slic3r. My Firmware. My hardware. I'm currently testing a 100% re-design of the extruder assembly. How far are you willing to go?

My MK2S has defined my standard level of acceptable quality. It was built from a kit and produces excellent prints. I expect no less from my MK3 but so far I've gotten less. I also realize it's very much in beta still which is why I'm taking a "wait and see" approach.

Until they fix the firmware. (Which still has major print quality issues in 3.2) I'm not going to disagree with this. *BUT* This "major" issue in the firmware I am talking about, would NOT be noticeable by someone who does not own a 3D printer.

And I have to very much disagree on the advertising of 3D printers. 3D printer manufacturers make very little light of the amount of tinkering needed and many are advertising a quick concept-to-print turnaround without explaining exactly how much actual work that might involve. This industry wouldn't even be half as big if 3D printer manufacturers stuck to advertising 3D printers as suitable only for qualified individuals.

I wish more people talked about this. Yes, they are easy to use. My wife, who knows NOTHING of 3D printing. (the tuning side of it) can print ANYTHING she wants... It's SO EASY!!! (But she knows nothing of slicer settings, or anything like that)
The issue is, I used to be a maintenance engineer, and I specialized in diagnostics. If there's a problem, chances are, if I can't figure it out... That's not good.

With my past job, I learned that some people are NOT capable of doing some things. Tuning a 3D printer fits firmly into the "you need to be an engineer" to work on it mechanically, and you need to be a diagnostics master, to nail your Slicer settings.

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Okay but here's the issue- it is ADVERTISED as a plug and play, it even says so in the manual for petes sake, which is why so many people are frustrated.

Where does it say plug and play? Of course, that definition can also mean different things to different people.

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I am not sure why so many jump to defend the MK3. It's honestly just not ready.

It isn't a matter of defending it, it's a matter of providing a little balance and logic. There are about 100 (which is being generous i think) users here having a variety of problems. Some of which can probably be attributed to shipping issues, bad parts, user caused, etc. There may be one issue (which looks like some type of over-extrusion to me) which is presenting itself as common to a number of people. It isn't common to all though.

There are also a number (here) who are quite happy with the MK3. There have been thousands of MK3s sold.

You may think it's not ready, but it's impossible to tell just by hanging out here.

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I am not sure why so many jump to defend the MK3. It's honestly just not ready.

It isn't a matter of defending it, it's a matter of providing a little balance and logic. There are about 100 (which is being generous i think) users here having a variety of problems. Some of which can probably be attributed to shipping issues, bad parts, user caused, etc. There may be one issue (which looks like some type of over-extrusion to me) which is presenting itself as common to a number of people. It isn't common to all though.

There are also a number (here) who are quite happy with the MK3. There have been thousands of MK3s sold.

You may think it's not ready, but it's impossible to tell just by hanging out here.

I guess I'll say this. I bought the MK3 because of all the advertised features. I have a buildtak flexplate on my ffpro its awesome. I looked forward to it on the MK3. It cracked within the first week of using it. I have had the buildtak over a year and its like new. The bubbling everyone is getting, that's a problem. Sure it goes away, but that is where my sheet cracked after stresses of PETG + heat. We still can't buy the textured or regular, there is a reason for that. Because this is a beta. My CR10 I leveled once out of the box and never again. i know that I can start a 40 hour print and it will come out awesome. I can't say the same for the MK3. I got the MK3 for auto leveling, but the pinda is broken. One print is fine, same gcode again fails. The point was to never have to level again, not be stuck with a printer I can't level and it can't level its self. All of the main features over the MK2 are completely broken, that is why this is such a problem. It is supposed to have all the bells and whistles and just build off the great mk2 platform and produce superior prints.

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I am not sure why so many jump to defend the MK3. It's honestly just not ready.

It isn't a matter of defending it, it's a matter of providing a little balance and logic. There are about 100 (which is being generous i think) users here having a variety of problems. Some of which can probably be attributed to shipping issues, bad parts, user caused, etc. There may be one issue (which looks like some type of over-extrusion to me) which is presenting itself as common to a number of people. It isn't common to all though.

There are also a number (here) who are quite happy with the MK3. There have been thousands of MK3s sold.

You may think it's not ready, but it's impossible to tell just by hanging out here.

Once again, the people that jump to defend it don't do their research- Google is your friend.

Many people not only on this forum but others are reporting problems, form Reddit to even Thingiverse.

And to answer your previous quote, it's in the opening pages of the manul.

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Once again, the people that jump to defend it don't do their research- Google is your friend.

Many people not only on this forum but others are reporting problems, form Reddit to even Thingiverse.

And to answer your previous quote, it's in the opening pages of the manul.

Putting aside that originality may not be your strong suit (reference Google), so what if people on other forums are reporting problems. Nobody is suggesting that they are making up their issues. But you don't know the extent of those problems either.

As for "plug and play", it is certainly not ADVERTISED in their shop, which would be the logical place to put it if they wanted to make such a claim. In any case you would have to be fairly ignorant to believe that consumer FDM printers are pnp, don't you think?

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Once again, the people that jump to defend it don't do their research- Google is your friend.

Many people not only on this forum but others are reporting problems, form Reddit to even Thingiverse.

And to answer your previous quote, it's in the opening pages of the manul.

Putting aside that originality may not be your strong suit (reference Google), so what if people on other forums are reporting problems. Nobody is suggesting that they are making up their issues. But you don't know the extent of those problems either.

As for "plug and play", it is certainly not ADVERTISED in their shop, which would be the logical place to put it if they wanted to make such a claim. In any case you would have to be fairly ignorant to believe that consumer FDM printers are pnp, don't you think?

For $1000? absolutely; for a printer like this (that is LITERALLY stated to be in the "workhorse" category on their own front page) I expect the thing to work for more than a couple prints before i have to spend 4 hours with it and support combined just to get it to print something half assed.

Lets address the elephant in the room; half this forum is people complaining and asking for help, the (mostly) other half is people defending it while putting the people having issues down with comments like "well you just don't know what you're doing, printers take tons of work to get going all the time"

No. They. Don't-

Many printers on the market for this things price range are praised for their low maintenance requirements, their excellent quality out of the box, and their customer support- and the MK3 is lacking all 3 of these things, which is the bottom line on why so many are complaining.

What I see happening is they'll eventually fix it and i hope they do- but the MK3 was not ready to be released.

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Lets address the elephant in the room; half this forum is people complaining and asking for help, the (mostly) other half is people defending it while putting the people having issues down with comments like "well you just don't know what you're doing, printers take tons of work to get going all the time"

This elephant is only in your room. There are at least three more kind of people here. People who are just looking for help, People who are helping others and people who would like to make a better product. I will not mention any names, but we have some people here making this forum valuable.

Many printers on the market for this things price range are praised for their low maintenance requirements, their excellent quality out of the box, and their customer support- and the MK3 is lacking all 3 of these things, which is the bottom line on why so many are complaining.

Please name this many printers. I'm always looking for alternatives in lower price range (under 1k).

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To quote Josef Prusa's blog "ORIGINAL PRUSA I3 MK3 IS OUT! AND IT'S BLOODY SMART! :

"What I am the proudest about is the fact that MK3 is bloody smart! I repeatedly said that print quality for FDM is peaking, especially with our MK2 holding the top ranks everywhere for over a year, and now we just need to make the technology more digestible for casual users. To do this we added plethora of sensors which can help the printer either guide the user or prevent failed prints."

To quote page 3 of the printer handbook (the first page that isn't the cover or certifications:
"In addition to printer hardware upgrades, the main goal is to make the technology more accessible and understandable to all users."

Please stop saying that the Mk3 is supposed to be a tinkerer's machine when Prusa's goal for the Mk3 is to broaden the audience to include casual users.

Those who do this are writing their own narrative to strawman complaints, rather than be constructive.

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Lets address the elephant in the room; half this forum is people complaining and asking for help, the (mostly) other half is people defending it while putting the people having issues down with comments like "well you just don't know what you're doing, printers take tons of work to get going all the time"

This elephant is only in your room. There are at least three more kind of people here. People who are just looking for help, People who are helping others and people who would like to make a better product. I will not mention any names, but we have some people here making this forum valuable.

Many printers on the market for this things price range are praised for their low maintenance requirements, their excellent quality out of the box, and their customer support- and the MK3 is lacking all 3 of these things, which is the bottom line on why so many are complaining.

Please name this many printers. I'm always looking for alternatives in lower price range (under 1k).

#1 Of course, but you basically repeated what i said so I'm not sure of your point, because if you read my quote i said "Mostly"; And your comments are coming off as inflammatory and fan-boyish at best (with all due respect), so if you actually want to have a discussion let me know, because right now you fill the "people who just want to argue" role of this forum instead of having any valuable insight or willingness to acknowledge the printers problems.

#2 Lulzbot Mini, Pulse (MatterHackers), Makerbot, to name a few.

To quote Josef Prusa's blog "ORIGINAL PRUSA I3 MK3 IS OUT! AND IT'S BLOODY SMART! :

"What I am the proudest about is the fact that MK3 is bloody smart! I repeatedly said that print quality for FDM is peaking, especially with our MK2 holding the top ranks everywhere for over a year, and now we just need to make the technology more digestible for casual users. To do this we added plethora of sensors which can help the printer either guide the user or prevent failed prints."

To quote page 3 of the printer handbook (the first page that isn't the cover or certifications:
"In addition to printer hardware upgrades, the main goal is to make the technology more accessible and understandable to all users."

Please stop saying that the Mk3 is supposed to be a tinkerer's machine when Prusa's goal for the Mk3 is to broaden the audience to include casual users.

Those who do this are writing their own narrative to strawman complaints, rather than be constructive.

Could not have said it better myself, thank you.

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Lets address the elephant in the room; half this forum is people complaining and asking for help, the (mostly) other half is people defending it while putting the people having issues down with comments like "well you just don't know what you're doing, printers take tons of work to get going all the time"

This elephant is only in your room. There are at least three more kind of people here. People who are just looking for help, People who are helping others and people who would like to make a better product. I will not mention any names, but we have some people here making this forum valuable.

Many printers on the market for this things price range are praised for their low maintenance requirements, their excellent quality out of the box, and their customer support- and the MK3 is lacking all 3 of these things, which is the bottom line on why so many are complaining.

Please name this many printers. I'm always looking for alternatives in lower price range (under 1k).

CR10, it is almost 1/3 the price and a significantly better machine out of the box.

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#2 Lulzbot Mini, Pulse (MatterHackers), Makerbot, to name a few.

Lulzbot mini, is a mini-printer. With a 152x152x158 build volume. It also costs nearly TWICE as much, and REQURIES either printing with a Raspberry pi, or a dedicated computer, which adds to the cost. You are looking at ~1350$ ... Say this is in the same price range all day, but it's not.

Pulse (MatterHackers) is a Prusa clone. You are literally just buying a knockoff mk2s... Go buy yourself a mk2s, and when the mk2.5 upgrade gets fixed, get that. (With similar options to the mk3, The Pulse, is nearly 2x in price compared to the mk3.

Makerbot... lol. Are you actually in the right mind to put this in the same price category as the mk3?

A mk3, has nearly "8x the volumetric build volume". And it costs almost HALF as much. What, you were talking about the Replicator+? It's still MUCH smaller build volume... Oh, you can literally buy 3 mk3's for the price of it. Were you meaning the Makerbot that actually compares to the mk3? The only makerbot that "compares with specs better" is the Z18... But enjoy paying about 8x more for that, than a mk3... Cause you know... It's in the same price range.

I fail to have nice things to say about people who seem to think. A 750$ printer, compares with a 7000$ printer!!! If you honestly think they are in the same "class"... That's the kind of logic that makes me think some people just don't need 3D printers.

PS: I love me some LulzBot Taz6. But it is a 2500$ printer. You can NOT compare that to a mk3. Would you compare a Ford Fiesta to a Porche?
The Pulse is literally a Mk2s+, that costs way more... That's like buying a v6 Cobra... Just buy the bloody V6 mustang it's cheaper.
Makerbot... The fact it was brought up here, just makes me laugh. That's like comparing a Ultima GTR, to a Bugatti... Yes they are comparable in performance, but you build, you love one... the other you just shovel your gold bars at.

And someone Mentioned the CR-10.

I read an article on the CR-10. I use to want one, for the price of it.

Honestly anyone who recommends a CR-10, actively, in ANY circumstance, is put on my "block" list. They *STEAL* from Marlin/Open Source.
They are in VIOLATION of GNU/GPL, and it is semi-illegal to even BUY a CR10. (Creality is NOT in violation of Chinese law, however they are NOT allowed to sell their products in the USA/EU due to copyrights. As the importer, you are in violation of copyright laws... IF your printer gets snagged by customs, enjoy attempting to get your $$$ back, and also enjoy being on a government watch-list for smugglers...) Enjoy your CR10 guys. It's totally worth it. Why do you think there are NO warehouses with the CR10 in the USA... Just sayin'

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#1 Of course, but you basically repeated what i said so I'm not sure of your point, because if you read my quote i said "Mostly"; And your comments are coming off as inflammatory and fan-boyish at best (with all due respect), so if you actually want to have a discussion let me know, because right now you fill the "people who just want to argue" role of this forum instead of having any valuable insight or willingness to acknowledge the printers problems.

I will not even start to argue with you. There is so much anger in your post.

#2 Lulzbot Mini, Pulse (MatterHackers), Makerbot, to name a few.

Lulzbot Mini = $1,368 with taxes
Pulse (MatterHackers) = Copy of Prusa, same price, bondtech extruder
Makerbot = Which one? $2k+

CR10, it is almost 1/3 the price and a significantly better machine out of the box.

CR-10S - $464.69
Prusa i3 - MK3 = $749
Not really 1/3, but definitely cheaper then Prusa i3 MK3. Creality CR-10S is the only alternative I've seen so far. But it's bigger, louder and no support/warranty. So personal preference apply.

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CR10, it is almost 1/3 the price and a significantly better machine out of the box.

CR-10S - $464.69
Prusa i3 - MK3 = $749
Not really 1/3, but definitely cheaper then Prusa i3 MK3. Creality CR-10S is the only alternative I've seen so far. But it's bigger, louder and no support/warranty. So personal preference apply.

You left out the fact importing them is illegal.
To import them,is a violation of copyright law. And can if you are American, can easily put you on a list of 'smugglers'.

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You left out the fact importing them is illegal.
To import them,is a violation of copyright law. And can if you are American, can easily put you on a list of 'smugglers'.

GPL violation is not really new. Many overseas printer done this and still doing this. It's everyones personal decision if you want to support this by purchasing this products. 🙁
The reason why I didn't mentioned it regarding CR10, Naomi Wu was able to clarify this and Creality released the source code yesterday.
Creality update

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#2 Lulzbot Mini, Pulse (MatterHackers), Makerbot, to name a few.

Lulzbot mini, is a mini-printer. With a 152x152x158 build volume. It also costs nearly TWICE as much, and REQURIES either printing with a Raspberry pi, or a dedicated computer, which adds to the cost. You are looking at ~1350$ ... Say this is in the same price range all day, but it's not.

Pulse (MatterHackers) is a Prusa clone. You are literally just buying a knockoff mk2s... Go buy yourself a mk2s, and when the mk2.5 upgrade gets fixed, get that. (With similar options to the mk3, The Pulse, is nearly 2x in price compared to the mk3.

Makerbot... lol. Are you actually in the right mind to put this in the same price category as the mk3?

A mk3, has nearly "8x the volumetric build volume". And it costs almost HALF as much. What, you were talking about the Replicator+? It's still MUCH smaller build volume... Oh, you can literally buy 3 mk3's for the price of it. Were you meaning the Makerbot that actually compares to the mk3? The only makerbot that "compares with specs better" is the Z18... But enjoy paying about 8x more for that, than a mk3... Cause you know... It's in the same price range.

I fail to have nice things to say about people who seem to think. A 750$ printer, compares with a 7000$ printer!!! If you honestly think they are in the same "class"... That's the kind of logic that makes me think some people just don't need 3D printers.

PS: I love me some LulzBot Taz6. But it is a 2500$ printer. You can NOT compare that to a mk3. Would you compare a Ford Fiesta to a Porche?
The Pulse is literally a Mk2s+, that costs way more... That's like buying a v6 Cobra... Just buy the bloody V6 mustang it's cheaper.
Makerbot... The fact it was brought up here, just makes me laugh. That's like comparing a Ultima GTR, to a Bugatti... Yes they are comparable in performance, but you build, you love one... the other you just shovel your gold bars at.

And someone Mentioned the CR-10.

I read an article on the CR-10. I use to want one, for the price of it.

Honestly anyone who recommends a CR-10, actively, in ANY circumstance, is put on my "block" list. They *STEAL* from Marlin/Open Source.
They are in VIOLATION of GNU/GPL, and it is semi-illegal to even BUY a CR10. (Creality is NOT in violation of Chinese law, however they are NOT allowed to sell their products in the USA/EU due to copyrights. As the importer, you are in violation of copyright laws... IF your printer gets snagged by customs, enjoy attempting to get your $$$ back, and also enjoy being on a government watch-list for smugglers...) Enjoy your CR10 guys. It's totally worth it. Why do you think there are NO warehouses with the CR10 in the USA... Just sayin'

The Lulzbot mini is only a $350 difference (because let's be honest most of the MK3 purchased are assembled). The Makerbot was failed sarcasm.

Everything else you stated is a moot point, because if you want to get incredibly technical I will, but what I did is compare other similarly priced products and compared their overall community rating, which is vastly superior to the MK3's at this time.

The point is as the poster before me said, it's stated by Prusa themselves that this printer is designed to be noob friendly, low maintenance and a workhorse...it is NONE (yet), and everyone who argues with me about that can go on their front page, read the way they advertise it, and try to tell me why it's a machine that you're supposed to fix every time you print something.

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#1 Of course, but you basically repeated what i said so I'm not sure of your point, because if you read my quote i said "Mostly"; And your comments are coming off as inflammatory and fan-boyish at best (with all due respect), so if you actually want to have a discussion let me know, because right now you fill the "people who just want to argue" role of this forum instead of having any valuable insight or willingness to acknowledge the printers problems.

I will not even start to argue with you. There is so much anger in your post.

#2 Lulzbot Mini, Pulse (MatterHackers), Makerbot, to name a few.

Lulzbot Mini = $1,368 with taxes
Pulse (MatterHackers) = Copy of Prusa, same price, bondtech extruder
Makerbot = Which one? $2k+

CR10, it is almost 1/3 the price and a significantly better machine out of the box.

CR-10S - $464.69
Prusa i3 - MK3 = $749
Not really 1/3, but definitely cheaper then Prusa i3 MK3. Creality CR-10S is the only alternative I've seen so far. But it's bigger, louder and no support/warranty. So personal preference apply.

See here's the problem here- you confuse anger with passion so forgive me if I upset you?, but you also try to defend a faulty machine in vain and it can rub people the wrong way when all you can do is say "well you're just wrong because I'm not having issues" when they indeed are.

And the technicality in the pricing is not important, because all printers mentioned are amount 1 - 1.5k- which is around the same price range.

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See here's the problem here- you confuse anger with passion so forgive me if I upset you?, but you also try to defend a faulty machine in vain and it can rub people the wrong way when all you can do is say "well you're just wrong because I'm not having issues" when they indeed are.

And the technicality in the pricing is not important, because all printers mentioned are amount 1 - 1.5k- which is around the same price range.

I'm not upset and I'm not defending anything. I'm here to help people and make my printer perform better. Actually I didn't even mentioned any pro or contra MK3 in this thread. So please don't put your "passion" on me.

$749 and $1.5k is twice a price. In my case $1k is a hard cut. I don't want to pay more. Even $749 does already hurt a little bit. That's why I'm always looking for good alternatives. But my last decision went again towards Prusa i3 MK3 and I don't regret it.

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and it is semi-illegal to even BUY a CR10. (Creality is NOT in violation of Chinese law, however they are NOT allowed to sell their products in the USA/EU due to copyrights. As the importer, you are in violation of copyright laws... IF your printer gets snagged by customs, enjoy attempting to get your $$$ back, and also enjoy being on a government watch-list for smugglers...) Enjoy your CR10 guys. It's totally worth it. Why do you think there are NO warehouses with the CR10 in the USA... Just sayin'

Ummm... better rethink that statement. You can get a CR-10 in one day from Amazon, with Prime, in stock. They are absolutely in many places in the US. Customs isn't going to give a rats ass about the CR-10, and I seriously doubt there are any law enforcement officials who are going to pursue this so-called violation at all.