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JE Suza
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Issues when printing first layer of 0.3mm or more with PLA

Good afternoon,

I recently finished the assemble of my new Prusa i3 MK3S kit and i am doing my first printing with it, but there is an issue with the first layer that I do not understand.

I have done a few prints using a layer height of 0.2mm and 0.25mm and the first layer prints fine, however as I noticed the Prusa Slicer suggest to prints the first layer with a different height (larger) than the other layers I tried with 0.3mm and the problem started.

I do not know exactly hoe to describe the problem so I am attaching a couple of pictures of what happens.

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I tried to adjust Z live and it sort of worked but not properly.

Would appreciate any guidance on the subject.

Regards,

 

Julian

 

Posted : 17/10/2020 2:12 am
JE Suza
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RE: Issues when printing first layer of 0.3mm or more with PLA

Having troubles attaching the photos. Do they need to be of any specific size?

Posted : 17/10/2020 3:36 am
JE Suza
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Posted : 17/10/2020 11:32 am
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RE: Issues when printing first layer of 0.3mm or more with PLA

It looks like a bed contamination issue. I don't recognize the material: is the bed PEI or some other material? Or is it a cutting board? Dooh 🙄 

Posted : 17/10/2020 5:53 pm
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RE: Issues when printing first layer of 0.3mm or more with PLA

Also keep in mind: Most profiles use a 0.2mm 1st layer height. This is thick enough to account for minor bed inconsistencies, but not so thick as to create problems with adhesion and cooling. If you are using a 0.4mm nozzle, the absolute maximum recommended height is 0.32mm (80% of the nozzle size). At this size, extrusions have a round cross section as layer height approaches extrusion width. There is less "squish" with the underlying bed layer which leads to poor adhesion, which may account for your issue. I stick with a 0.2mm layer height regardless of other layer heights even when printing thick layers with a 0.8mm nozzle.

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Posted : 17/10/2020 6:32 pm
JE Suza
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RE: Issues when printing first layer of 0.3mm or more with PLA

@tim-m30

Hahaha sorry Tim, yes that is a cutting Board, the printer has a pei smooth bed but regarding your comment I would like to clarify that I used isopropyl alcohol before the printing 

Thanks

 

Posted : 18/10/2020 11:41 am
JE Suza
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RE: Issues when printing first layer of 0.3mm or more with PLA

@bobstro

Thank you, will bear it in mind. However the printing I was doing was at 0,3 which according to your theory should be fine, therefore I would like to have more thoughts on the subject to understand what is happening. I was using a Snapmaker Original, before having my new Prusa, and never had anything like this printing at 0,3mm layers.

 

Posted : 18/10/2020 11:49 am
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RE: Issues when printing first layer of 0.3mm or more with PLA

Alcohol will cause that sort of contamination. Unless you are fastidious and use a virgin rag and ounces of alcohol, it is very easy to leave an oil film residue on the PEI.  You can check for a film by simply running a fresh paper towel dampened in alcohol or acetone across the "clean" sheet. Any streaking, refraction or sheen during evaporation is caused by oils on the bed. I have found it nearly impossible to get a clean sheet using alcohol. Soap and hot water works every time (except when I accidentally grab my disk sponge to scrub). 

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Posted : 18/10/2020 3:24 pm
JE Suza
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@tim-m30

Thank you Tim, will look at it.

Precisely today I was doing a large printing and the first layer was working very well for most of the area but there was a region were I was seeing waves and not good adhesion on the layer, maybe it was some oil in that specific place.

Regards,

JES

Posted : 19/10/2020 2:00 am
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