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gzhangx
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first layer print quality

My printer was great for 2 years, and started to have issues with print.  I cleaned and replaced hot element (during cleaning the old one was damaged), changed tip to ruby, and calibrated first layer a lot to finally able to print the 9x9 prusa first layer (see attached).  The good setting for the build in calibration (900) is not good for the 9x9 prusa first layer, I have to change to -1100 to make the 9x9 prusa first layer work, or else it has defects (if I use -1100 the build in  calibration appears to be a bit low since the lines seems squeezed).

 

Attached is the 9x9 picture, the shapes are fine but the quality is not good.  Any ideas?  Tanks!

Posted : 15/10/2024 3:24 am
Diem
 Diem
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Your first layer calibration is a fraction too low, too much squish.

Cheerio,

Posted : 15/10/2024 5:04 pm
gzhangx
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Topic starter answered:
RE:

Thank you!  But if I don't do that the print is not good either.  See below:

-1000

-1050 to -850

-1050

 

-850

 

 

-900

 

This post was modified 2 months ago by gzhangx
Posted : 15/10/2024 11:09 pm
gzhangx
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Topic starter answered:
RE: first layer print quality

I think I need to do Bed Level Correction

 

https://help.prusa3d.com/article/bed-level-correction_2267

Posted : 15/10/2024 11:20 pm
Diem
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So do I, but first get the print sheet thoroughly clean.

Cheerio,

Posted : 16/10/2024 11:52 pm
Artur5
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 I concur. Besides, before performing bed level correction, first tune your Z offset until you get a perfect central square and only then proceed with bed level correction for the peripheral squares. Take into account that the settings for correcting front, rear, left and right are additive and relative to the center of the bed. If you set +10 at the front and +10 at the left, the front left corner will get +10+10 = +20 microns of correction.

This post was modified 2 months ago by Artur5
Posted : 17/10/2024 2:35 pm
gzhangx
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Topic starter answered:
RE: first layer print quality

Thank you all.  I tried adjust bed level but result is not good.  Did more research and found "Bed Level Visualizer".  I was surprised the result looks good (not sure what are the normal values are):

 

-0.194 -0.122 -0.077 -0.021 0.013 -0.042 -0.073 -73 -0.135 -0.077 -0.068 -0.065 -0.011 -0.032 -0.086 -38 -0.099 -0.043 -0.027 -0.021 0.006 -0.015 -0.108 -2 -0.113 -0.051 -0.030 0.000 -0.011 -0.052 -0.128 34 -0.046 -0.002 -0.005 -0.011 0.000 -0.029 -0.142 69 -0.022 -0.021 -0.025 -0.041 -0.020 -0.075 -0.161 105 0.004 -0.001 -0.034 -0.074 -0.042 -0.092 -0.176

Yet the center always looks bad unless I press it a lot (when sides are good, the center still seems too high).

 

Posted : 17/10/2024 3:57 pm
Diem
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The numbers are meaningless for us - they relate only to your particular printer.  Get the centre right then adjust the rest to suit.

Cheerio,

Posted : 17/10/2024 6:14 pm
Artur5
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RE: first layer print quality

More than 0.2 mm between the highest and lowest point ... those numbers aren't good at all. Ideally they should stay below 0.05 mm. Bed mesh leveling compensates for this, but only up to a point. Possibly the central screw of your bed is a bit loose while the rear left and front right screws are over tightened.

Posted : 17/10/2024 8:06 pm
gzhangx
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Topic starter answered:
RE: first layer print quality

Thank you so much! now I got a number to go to!  Prusa should have put those numbers somewhere on their website.

Posted : 17/10/2024 8:10 pm
MLightheart
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RE: first layer print quality

I am curious.  What number finally worked for you?

Posted : 14/11/2024 3:48 pm
JoanTabb
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RE: first layer print quality

live z numbers are unique to each printer

many people find this link useful 
https://forum.prusa3d.com/forum/original-prusa-i3-mk3s-mk3-assembly-and-first-prints-troubleshooting/life-adjust-z-my-way/

Joan

I try to make safe suggestions,You should understand the context and ensure you are happy that they are safe before attempting to apply my suggestions, what you do, is YOUR responsibility. Location Halifax UK

Posted : 14/11/2024 8:07 pm
gzhangx
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Topic starter answered:
RE: first layer print quality

FYI I think it is solved.  I bought a new print plate and that sorted out all the issues (even though my bed is still not totally even).

Posted : 18/11/2024 11:13 pm
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