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knwilson
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Can you help? Can't get first layer to stick to bed

See results in the image of my first later calibration results. Students felt that the -0.2 result was the best.

We then tried to print many objects with no success. We have followed all the suggestions in the troubleshooting as to preparing the bed and keeping it clean as well as focusing on the z level.

Nothing will stick, nor stay on the plate. We have calibrated multiple times and washed and cleaned and slightly scrubbed the surface.

See the image of the skirt and brims, they are not forming correctly.

Any information regarding our printer MK3s and its issues with sticking to the bed would be greatly appreciated.

First Layer calibration

Brim skirt

Benchy

 

 

Kristen N. Wilson

Posted : 06/11/2020 12:54 pm
Same Old Shane
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RE: Can you help? Can't get first layer to stick to bed

The images are coming across as broken links, could you please re-upload the photos so we can see what your current settings are resulting in please.

Shane (AKA FromPrusa)

Posted : 06/11/2020 1:44 pm
JoanTabb
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RE: Can you help? Can't get first layer to stick to bed

Hi Kristen, 
Unfortunately your pictures didn't materialise on the forum.

the way I do it, is to open a file manager window over the text box, then Drag and drop the pictures from File manager into the forum text input box. (towards the bottom of the box. )
when the file is in the right place the text input box will change colour (to Blue, on My Laptop) 

as shown above. 
then a window like below should open, select Link to: Media File  then click 'Insert into Post' 

you should end up with your pictures in the post... 
I normally  only add three pictures per post

If you need to add STL's or Gcode, or .3MF files then need to be zipped...then use the attach file option at the bottom of the text insertion window

If I am having problems with adhesion, I do the following. 
1, Wash the build plate, Rinse and repeat, then dry well with paper towels.  Give the build surface a really good wash to remove all grease and contamination. ).  For PLA, you should not need any magic potions on the build plate!
2 ensure that 7x7 mesh bed levelling is enabled (available from the LCD Menu) this tests 49 points on the build plate, instead
3, Use   the Life adjust 'Z' My Way   process in preference to the Prusa First layer calibration tool. 

Adjust live Z until the test patch can be removed as a complete smooth sheet. 
if the strands of filament are still separate then live Z is too small a negative  number, if the surface of the test patch is rough or rippled but the stransd are generally welded together, youlive Z is too big a negative number 
If the test patch surface is smooth, and the strands are welded together, you are pretty much perfect... 
now look at the underside of the test patch, if you can see evidence of the separate strands, and the strand lines are straight, your live Z number could be adjusted a tiny bit bigger, 
If the lines are welded together but they are wiggly, not straight, then your live Z value is a little too large. 

Good luck, 

Joan

I try to make safe suggestions,You should understand the context and ensure you are happy that they are safe before attempting to apply my suggestions, what you do, is YOUR responsibility. Location Halifax UK

Posted : 06/11/2020 2:20 pm
knwilson
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Topic starter answered:
RE: Can you help? Can't get first layer to stick to bed

benchy https://drive.google.com/file/d/12Mhd64ArGjSBjsLvsZEabHJF1KvzX3Bj/view?usp=sharing

benchy

brim
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rD_5kUXcKrnlzE3h4qlKU--hmBbOAEUy/view?usp=sharing

brim

results
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Aau6Dtqt7gk51HttY_K6EiEtE5GWcddO/view?usp=sharing

results

 

I hope this works?

Kristen N. Wilson

Posted : 06/11/2020 2:39 pm
knwilson
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Topic starter answered:
RE: Can you help? Can't get first layer to stick to bed

OOOOOps. I tried to make your pictures open full size and messed your post up... 
Sorry... 
Joan

I can put the pictures back, but the text is history, Sorry... !

 

Kristen N. Wilson

Posted : 06/11/2020 3:14 pm
bobstro
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RE: Can you help? Can't get first layer to stick to bed

Your Live-Z is WAY too high. Come down (make Live-Z value more negative) in large-ish increments (0.1mm) until the lines start to stick. Keep lowering in smaller increments until you can poke a line without it becoming dislodged.

If you have not already done so, try using Jeff Jordan's "Life Adjust" procedure for calibrating your Live-Z setting. It is much easier to use and understand than the on-board routine and much easier to make mid-print adjustments accurately with. In general, start high (less negative) and work lower (more negative) in large increments (e.g. 0.1mm) until the filament starts to stick on its own. When you've got your Live-Z setting adjusted properly, you should be able to gently rub the extruded lines on the PEI surface without dislodging them.  Then start lowering (more negative) the level until there are no gaps between layers. You should not be able to peel the lines apart after printing, but the top should be regular. 
 
If you still can't get anything to stick, looking at your pictures, it appears your bed still has a lot of "something" on it. Follow Joan's advice to give it a dunk under the kitchen sink with Dawn plain dish soap (or your local equivalent). Use a plain paper towel to scrub it, another to dry it. Do nothing else and try Live-Z again.
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Posted : 06/11/2020 3:45 pm
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JoanTabb
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RE: Can you help? Can't get first layer to stick to bed

@kwilson

Hi Kirsten, 

From the pictures, your build plate looks messy. and your prusa first layer calibration patches, look to have too little squish.

Live Z is too small a negative number

give the 'Life adjust Z my way' process/ patches a try... 

they take longer to complete and so give you longer to make the changes to the adjustment,

regards Joan

 

I try to make safe suggestions,You should understand the context and ensure you are happy that they are safe before attempting to apply my suggestions, what you do, is YOUR responsibility. Location Halifax UK

Posted : 06/11/2020 3:49 pm
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