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CoyDK
(@coydk)
Eminent Member
Lost Z calibration

I have printed around 250m of PLA now and it have been working great! I have had a few calibrations along the way but now it seems its utter lost!
I simply cant make it calibrate now! Its as if the right faraway corner is higher than the left nearest corner.
I installed the new frameware and run the tests and everything checks out,

Anyi eader what I need to do?

Postato : 29/07/2016 1:18 am
CoyDK
(@coydk)
Eminent Member
Topic starter answered:
Re: Lost Z calibration

here are a few pictures

Postato : 29/07/2016 1:42 am
CoyDK
(@coydk)
Eminent Member
Topic starter answered:
Re: Lost Z calibration

Day 2

Still problems. I adjust and adjust but It will never print right.

I am completely at a loss now, I rly hope someone got some advice on what to do next.

Postato : 29/07/2016 1:40 pm
PJR
 PJR
(@pjr)
Antient Member Moderator
Re: Lost Z calibration

Jakob

What firmware version are you running? What slicer are you using? What first layer height do you have set? What extruder & bed temps?

Do the pre-sliced GCode files supplied on the SD card print OK?

Care to post the STL and GCode on here?

When posting, please give as much information as possible.

Peter

Please note: I do not have any affiliation with Prusa Research. Any advices given are offered in good faith. It is your responsibility to ensure that by following my advice you do not suffer or cause injury, damage…

Postato : 29/07/2016 1:49 pm
CoyDK
(@coydk)
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Topic starter answered:
Re: Lost Z calibration

I have been running the new firmware, I went back to the old that I know worked 100%
I am running 3.0.3 MK2 13a

I am using the v2 calibration & tried different gcodes with the same results
I am using Prusa3D Slic3r mk2

I am printing 1.75mm PLA and as they suggest I am not using anything on the heat-bed

I have been printing allot and have only had small calibration issues that was fixed by re-calibrating.

As you can see on the picture the print head & sensor "rips" the print up and I cant seem to get around thats making it do that.
I am using standard settings on everything.

Hope that helps, thanks.

Postato : 29/07/2016 6:07 pm
PJR
 PJR
(@pjr)
Antient Member Moderator
Re: Lost Z calibration

Jacob

If the probe is hitting the part, then it is too low and you have corrected for that with Z Live Adjust.

The probe should be about 0.75 to 1mm higher than the nozzle.

If you run the Settings/Auto Home, you should be able to easily slip a sheet of copy paper between nozzle and bed; The sensor should be at least 2 thicknesses of card from a cigarette box.

Once you have checked this, I would advise that you reinstall 3.0.6RC and run the Settings/X/Y Calibration routine. Then run the V2 Calibration gcode and all should be good.

Take your time, don't get frustrated and it will be good.

Peter

Please note: I do not have any affiliation with Prusa Research. Any advices given are offered in good faith. It is your responsibility to ensure that by following my advice you do not suffer or cause injury, damage…

Postato : 29/07/2016 10:27 pm
CoyDK
(@coydk)
Eminent Member
Topic starter answered:
Re: Lost Z calibration

The nozzel & Probe is adjusted, I use a buiesness card where the probe is around 2x cards but it the rear is also flush with the pice of plastic it is supose to be flush with.
I will try and upate to 3.0.6 agen and see if it helps.

But what can make a printer lose its calibration this much?

Postato : 30/07/2016 8:49 am
CoyDK
(@coydk)
Eminent Member
Topic starter answered:
Re: Lost Z calibration

ok so I updated the firmware, rand the x/y calibration and when I ran the v2 calibration print and wanted to live adjust z it did the same thing agen.
The left side is ok but the right side i squashed.

Postato : 30/07/2016 2:51 pm
CoyDK
(@coydk)
Eminent Member
Topic starter answered:
Re: Lost Z calibration

The print seems to have a hard time sticking and when I Z adjust it ether digs in to the old print or get to fare and dont stick. The printed surface is chubby and rough most of the time.
Any ieader what can cause this?

Postato : 30/07/2016 3:31 pm
CoyDK
(@coydk)
Eminent Member
Topic starter answered:
Re: Lost Z calibration

Here are a few pictures of the issues

Postato : 30/07/2016 3:41 pm
David T.
(@david-t)
Noble Member
Re: Lost Z calibration

Looks like extrusion problem, not bed or Z calibration.

Postato : 30/07/2016 4:50 pm
PJR
 PJR
(@pjr)
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Re: Lost Z calibration

Jakob

As a matter of interest, what is your "Live Z Adjust" value?

Thanks

Peter

Please note: I do not have any affiliation with Prusa Research. Any advices given are offered in good faith. It is your responsibility to ensure that by following my advice you do not suffer or cause injury, damage…

Postato : 30/07/2016 6:40 pm
CoyDK
(@coydk)
Eminent Member
Topic starter answered:
Re: Lost Z calibration

How can I determen if its a extrusion problem?

My live Z value is: -350

before the problem it was around the same

Postato : 31/07/2016 8:54 am
David T.
(@david-t)
Noble Member
Re: Lost Z calibration

How can I determen if its a extrusion problem?
You will have to eliminate all possible reasons one by one.
Isn't the filament on spool tangled?
Does the filament spool rotate freely?
Is the filament path clear?
Are extruder pulley teeth clean?
Aren't extruder idler screws too tight or too loose?
Goes extruder motor without skipping steps while extruding?
When printing the same thing twice, are visible defects always on the same place?

Postato : 31/07/2016 10:06 am
CoyDK
(@coydk)
Eminent Member
Topic starter answered:
Re: Lost Z calibration

Isn't the filament on spool tangled?
No
Does the filament spool rotate freely?
Yes
Is the filament path clear?
Yes
Are extruder pulley teeth clean?
Yes
Aren't extruder idler screws too tight or too loose?
Where is it the screws are located on the head?
Goes extruder motor without skipping steps while extruding?
Seems fine
When printing the same thing twice, are visible defects always on the same place?
There is not a pattern as such, but the head sometimes or at somepoint digs up the print. Even if I clean and apply glue to the bed. As seen in the pictures thats basicly what happens every time

Postato : 31/07/2016 11:47 am
CoyDK
(@coydk)
Eminent Member
Topic starter answered:
Re: Lost Z calibration

This seem to be the same problem I have:
http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?262,236816

Postato : 02/08/2016 3:28 pm
CoyDK
(@coydk)
Eminent Member
Topic starter answered:
Re: Lost Z calibration

As you can see here it seems the print is full of holes /uneven

Postato : 02/08/2016 3:33 pm
Vojtěch Bubník
(@vojtech-bubnik)
Utenti Admin
Re: Lost Z calibration

From your picture it seems that the bed has not been degreased properly. A clean isopropyl alcohol works wonders. You may also try to lower the nozzle yet a bit, but I think IPA degreasing will be sufficient.
Vojtech

Postato : 02/08/2016 6:01 pm
CoyDK
(@coydk)
Eminent Member
Topic starter answered:
Re: Lost Z calibration

I found the sinner! I was using a Gel Alcohol solution and it seems it left something on the bed. After switching to a non gel alcohol it worked better.
I still have a few calibration issues but I think I can fix that in time.

Thanks to all of you who gave suggestions 🙂

Postato : 05/08/2016 4:36 pm
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