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gregsaun
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Extruder is skipping steps on purge line

Hi All,

I am having a weird issue with my MK2.5 I have just finished to build. Every time the extruder is doing the first purge line I hear it skipping steps

Things I have checked :

  • First layer does not look to be pushed to much

  • Update all drivers and Slic3r PE (and reset settings)

  • Unscrew the extruder idler screws (the ones with the springs). Screw them back as on the manual

  • Printed a cube in vase mode to check extruder multiplier, I am good (0.92 with my PETG from Extrudr.eu)

  • Nozzle is not clogged, when inserting filament I have only rarely a bubble (which seems to be linked when filament is touching the heated bed)

  • Wizard has been run few times successfully

  • Top screw of the extruder idler (goes in the motor) is not over tighten and I can open the extruder idler without resistance

  • PID calibrated

  • Print from SD card and from Octoprint
  • What am I missing?

    Thank you for your help 😉

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    Publié : 20/03/2018 11:42 am
    Denial84
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    Re: Extruder is skipping steps on purge line

    I think the problem is , a lot of extruded material in the same point. Same problem with mk2s

    Publié : 20/03/2018 12:36 pm
    gregsaun
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    Topic starter answered:
    Re: Extruder is skipping steps on purge line

    I had this on MK2s only very rarely. Here it is for all prints I am doing, without exception

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    Publié : 20/03/2018 12:41 pm
    digibluh
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    Re: Extruder is skipping steps on purge line

    Could be change in steps per mm causing slightly more filament to extrude for the purge. there isn't much else it could be i think...(assuming the gears don't add more resistance to extrusion) unless Z is too low but if it was it wouldn't be by much. you could just tune the start g-code to fix it if the rest is fine.

    Publié : 20/03/2018 2:50 pm
    gregsaun
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    Topic starter answered:
    Re: Extruder is skipping steps on purge line

    Do you mean that steps per mm are not adapted anymore to the new MK2.5 extruder?

    I have disassembled the extruder and I found that the top PTFE tube was a slightly squished by a piece of plastic. I clean that hole and double check the hole between PTFE and Bondtech pulley. Unfortunately this does not change anything.

    I removed the genuine E3D silicon cover, same result.

    Something else I could observed is that my bed seems to be badly leveled (front the front, on the left side the level is bigger than on the right side) and I could not correct it with the bed level correction menu. Does any heard about something wrong with this function on MK2.5 3.1.3-RC1 firmware?

    I am currently printing a Benchy to see if it is only a problem with the first layer / first purge line

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    Publié : 20/03/2018 7:00 pm
    jhoff80
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    Re: Extruder is skipping steps on purge line

    My extruder steps setting got reset to its new default for the MK2.5 (133.0) as soon as I flashed that firmware. From memory, it was something like 168 for the MK2.

    Publié : 20/03/2018 7:39 pm
    gregsaun
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    Topic starter answered:
    Re: Extruder is skipping steps on purge line

    Ok, mine is at 133 as well 😉

    Benchy as small holes in sharp angles and first layer is too low. I am going to increase temp and first layer height. I'll try tomorrow

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    Publié : 20/03/2018 8:56 pm
    gregsaun
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    Topic starter answered:
    Re: Extruder is skipping steps on purge line

    Ok new benchy was not better.

    I am currently printing a new benchy with Prusa PLA and it did not skip any steps! Nozzle was a bit clogged when I switched filaments. I have another genuine E3D nozzle to test after

    I found this issue on the extruder that might be part of my issue :
    https://github.com/prusa3d/Original-Prusa-i3/issues/51
    https://shop.prusa3d.com/forum/original-prusa-i3-mk3-f30/any-ideas-how-to-get-this-flexable-material-to-pri-t14765.html

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    Publié : 21/03/2018 11:21 am
    gregsaun
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    Topic starter answered:
    Re: Extruder is skipping steps on purge line

    So I have swapped the nozzle and it is better. I also switched to Prusa PET and Prusa PLA only for my tests. I do not have skipping steps anymore (do not know with my previous filament).

    However, it seems that my bed is very uneven. I am not sure I will be able to fix this via the bed leveling correction menu

    Left :

    Right:

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    Publié : 21/03/2018 5:05 pm
    gregsaun
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    Topic starter answered:
    Re: Extruder is skipping steps on purge line

    Problem solved!

    The main problem was the nozzle, I swapped to a new one.

    One of the standoff under a corner of the bed was screwed deeper than others, squeezing the shim/washer (the screw on the other side has hex profile scratched). I took a standoff and shim/washer from the MK2s bed. After a careful bed level correction (using this model on thingiverse : https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1776031 , thanks to him) I could get a perfect first layer all around the heated bed.

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    Publié : 21/03/2018 8:49 pm
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