Prusa MK4 vs Bambu?  

RE: Prusa MK4 vs Bambu?

I can only attest to the use of a 0.4mm nozzle and PETG, ABS, ASA, and PLA, but so far, the quality is pretty damn good.  I do have to slow it down to get good strength.  

Posted by: @iftibashir

Completely agree - I’m just going off of the feature set etc, which is why I can’t mention any quality differences. When I said a fantastic printer I was referring to the feature set with the AMS, built in camera, nozzle cleaning, etc - all items that create a great overall, all-in-one, package for all types of users. But yes, I agree, it needs more time to test longevity, especially if it feels cheaply made etc!

 

Posted by: @cwbullet

Do you own one?  If not, it is conjecture.  I know it is a good printer.  I own one of each and use the.  I sold my original X1 because I did not need it.  In general, you are probably right that it needs more time printing.  I will tell you it is more cheaply made.  Time will tell if it is a "fantastic printer".  The more cheaply made might bite them.  

Posted by: @iftibashir

I think BambuLabs have a fantastic first printer. There's no doubt they shook up the 3D printing market, which is an accomplishment on its own. It seems they listened to what users in the industry were after and implemented everything in the one, neat, package. However, it needs more time to bed in before we can judge reliability, and that's what Prusa have - a proven track record. I also didnt want to go back to the 'old days' of using glue sticks for the bed!

I was back and forward between the X1 carbon and the MK4. Decided to go with the MK4 in the end and now that I am supposed to be close to shipping [I hope] I will most likely continue to wait, but I was very tempted to cancel and switch to the X1 at several points throughout the past few weeks.....

If BambuLabs prove themselves over the longevity aspects, then it will most likely be my next printer......

 

 

RE: Prusa MK4 vs Bambu?

FWVLIW, I run a small side-hustle based on the advantages that the X1 possesses - in particular the AMS, the speed and the bed size.  I switched from a Prusa Mini - which could not produce half of what I use the X1 for.  And apart from the X1's extruder jamming from time to time (always with a particular "silk" PLA, when the model is sliced for standard PLA) it's been faster and more reliable with a 0.4mm nozzle than the Mini was with a 0.6mm nozzle.

I doubt very much whether it is the "last thing" in 3D printers.  But it is the "next thing" in 3D printers, while Prusa is still making yesterday's machine.  Prusa should spend less time sniping at Bambu, and more trying to emulate the way that Bambu have pushed things forwards rather than simply doing the same thing as everyone else. 

RE: Prusa MK4 vs Bambu?

Yeah, I don't understand that they went back to needing a glue stick. That's why I bought a Wham Bam build plate which only needs glue for PETG because, otherwise, it sticks too well.

Posted by: @iftibashir

I think BambuLabs have a fantastic first printer. There's no doubt they shook up the 3D printing market, which is an accomplishment on its own. It seems they listened to what users in the industry were after and implemented everything in the one, neat, package. However, it needs more time to bed in before we can judge reliability, and that's what Prusa have - a proven track record. I also didnt want to go back to the 'old days' of using glue sticks for the bed!

I was back and forward between the X1 carbon and the MK4. Decided to go with the MK4 in the end and now that I am supposed to be close to shipping [I hope] I will most likely continue to wait, but I was very tempted to cancel and switch to the X1 at several points throughout the past few weeks.....

If BambuLabs prove themselves over the longevity aspects, then it will most likely be my next printer......

RE: Prusa MK4 vs Bambu?

FWLIW, I've used the high temp plate with PLA and no glue stick just fine.  Granted, I prefer the WhamBam plate most of the time.

RE: Prusa MK4 vs Bambu?

No idea, but I will tell you the textured bed is much less "sticky" than a Prusa Sheet.  I had to use hair spray for some PLAs.  

Posted by: @davejavu

Yeah, I don't understand that they went back to needing a glue stick. That's why I bought a Wham Bam build plate which only needs glue for PETG because, otherwise, it sticks too well.

Posted by: @iftibashir

I think BambuLabs have a fantastic first printer. There's no doubt they shook up the 3D printing market, which is an accomplishment on its own. It seems they listened to what users in the industry were after and implemented everything in the one, neat, package. However, it needs more time to bed in before we can judge reliability, and that's what Prusa have - a proven track record. I also didnt want to go back to the 'old days' of using glue sticks for the bed!

I was back and forward between the X1 carbon and the MK4. Decided to go with the MK4 in the end and now that I am supposed to be close to shipping [I hope] I will most likely continue to wait, but I was very tempted to cancel and switch to the X1 at several points throughout the past few weeks.....

If BambuLabs prove themselves over the longevity aspects, then it will most likely be my next printer......

 

RE: Prusa MK4 vs Bambu?

Hello everyone, my first post here, I believe. 

I'm new to Prusa and Bambu and may not be entirely new to 3D printing, but I'm still very much a rookie.

To put my opinion into perspective, I will share some of my 3D printing histories:

My first 3D printer was a Dremel Idea 3D20 in 2015, and I tried to like it, but I just didn't. Maybe the limited build area, the abysmal speed, and the limited compatibility, even though I was using Simplify-3D already, made me almost forget I had a printer.   Fast forward to December 31st, 2022, I bought a Creality S1. I was amazed at how a direct drive extruder was an innovation when I had that in my Dremel mentioned above. The user experience with the Creality was better than that with the Dremel, but only because Software has evolved a lot.

I ordered (and still await) a Prusa MK4 on April 22ndl 22nd because I've heard great things about this company recently. The very next day, I ordered a Prusa Mini to have something to play while waiting for my MK4. Patience has never been my strongest suit. Here is where my real history with 3D printing began. For the first time EVER, I enjoyed the 3D printing experience. This little machine was engaging, had a humble but still proud presence, it was simple but beautiful, but above all, it was designed by somebody who, in my opinion, loved 3D printing. It was simple, honest, precise engineering handmade for me! It worked! and the most important thing for me, I was finally enjoying using 3D printing, which was what this was all about.

It is not my intention to sound cheesy; I've only known Prusa for the last three months, and still, I feel like I've been a loyal user for two decades. The Creality? I tried my best to like the thing. I bought a tablet called Sonic that disabled the printer's display while using something called Klipper, which I later learned was firmware I couldn't care less about. It didn't make the printer any faster, but it gave me a fancy screen and WiFi printing. That was it. The extruder went kaput, so when I returned it, I used that credit to buy an S1 Pro. It was just as sad as the previous one. Two days later, I returned the S1 Pro and bought an unloved Prusa Mini on eBay. I gave it a little love, changed the extruder, and installed a Revo system, and now I had two wonderful printers. 

Now, back to the subject, I'm still waiting for my MK4/Enclosure bundle, but I bought a Bambu Lab Carbon X1 with the AMS, and here are my impressions for anyone who was bored enough to get this far (thank you, by the way). Spoiler alert, it is a very good printer.

- The fact that the filament spool mount and port are at the back is silly. I would not recommend this printer without the AMS to anyone I care about.

- Using Glue with the included build plate for regular non-engineering materials like PLA is plain stupid. This is the reason why I started mentioning my old Dremel. This was a Dremel throwback. Even the cold bed sticker approach was Dremel all the way. Yes, you can replace it with a textured PEI build plate as I did, but this shutdown the lidar functionality in case this functionality is something you like. I can live without it, by the way. Why not design something similar to the smooth PEI we get from Prusa? The answer is beyond me. 

- The AMS experience is outstanding, but be prepared to fight for fitness here. Most filament rolls won't fit, so you have to search for multiple solutions, like buying/printing reusable filament spools or becoming the lord of the plastic rings for everything cardboard you may have, etc. Now, please don't take me wrong; as I said, I like the AMS a lot. Even when I'm not printing using multiple materials, it still makes changing from one filament to another extremely easy. 

- Bear in mind, and this is expected with any multi-material; once you print using multiple filaments, speed goes out of the window while laughing at you. 

- This printer seems like it has and uses many sensors to compensate for less precise fabrication. 

- If cloud-based experience is not your thing, Bambu may not be the printer for you. This is a connected experience whether you like it or not. It has its perks, but if connecting to the cloud is not your thing, this printer is not your thing.

- This printer has multiple parts that are considered consumables: Extruder, hot end assemblies, nozzle wiper, filament cutter, etc. Don't be alarmed since the pricing and availability for the original spare parts are very good so far.

- While I have zero regrets about buying this Bambu, I'm still waiting for my Mk4—a handmade printer built and tested for me to provide an experience that should not be underestimated. A feeling that may not be important for most but is very important to me. 

Cheers! 😀 

RE: Prusa MK4 vs Bambu?

Great write up and an interesting read - thanks!

On a side note, I notice the Lego Technic set in the top corner. Ive just taken delivery of the same kit, as well as the Lambo Sian and the Ferrari kits. All still in sealed boxes! Waiting on the Porsche before I start building!!

Anyhow, nice setup you have going on there 😉

Posted by: @ppespepe

Hello everyone, my first post here, I believe. 

I'm new to Prusa and Bambu and may not be entirely new to 3D printing, but I'm still very much a rookie.

To put my opinion into perspective, I will share some of my 3D printing histories:

My first 3D printer was a Dremel Idea 3D20 in 2015, and I tried to like it, but I just didn't. Maybe the limited build area, the abysmal speed, and the limited compatibility, even though I was using Simplify-3D already, made me almost forget I had a printer.   Fast forward to December 31st, 2022, I bought a Creality S1. I was amazed at how a direct drive extruder was an innovation when I had that in my Dremel mentioned above. The user experience with the Creality was better than that with the Dremel, but only because Software has evolved a lot.

I ordered (and still await) a Prusa MK4 on April 22ndl 22nd because I've heard great things about this company recently. The very next day, I ordered a Prusa Mini to have something to play while waiting for my MK4. Patience has never been my strongest suit. Here is where my real history with 3D printing began. For the first time EVER, I enjoyed the 3D printing experience. This little machine was engaging, had a humble but still proud presence, it was simple but beautiful, but above all, it was designed by somebody who, in my opinion, loved 3D printing. It was simple, honest, precise engineering handmade for me! It worked! and the most important thing for me, I was finally enjoying using 3D printing, which was what this was all about.

It is not my intention to sound cheesy; I've only known Prusa for the last three months, and still, I feel like I've been a loyal user for two decades. The Creality? I tried my best to like the thing. I bought a tablet called Sonic that disabled the printer's display while using something called Klipper, which I later learned was firmware I couldn't care less about. It didn't make the printer any faster, but it gave me a fancy screen and WiFi printing. That was it. The extruder went kaput, so when I returned it, I used that credit to buy an S1 Pro. It was just as sad as the previous one. Two days later, I returned the S1 Pro and bought an unloved Prusa Mini on eBay. I gave it a little love, changed the extruder, and installed a Revo system, and now I had two wonderful printers. 

Now, back to the subject, I'm still waiting for my MK4/Enclosure bundle, but I bought a Bambu Lab Carbon X1 with the AMS, and here are my impressions for anyone who was bored enough to get this far (thank you, by the way). Spoiler alert, it is a very good printer.

- The fact that the filament spool mount and port are at the back is silly. I would not recommend this printer without the AMS to anyone I care about.

- Using Glue with the included build plate for regular non-engineering materials like PLA is plain stupid. This is the reason why I started mentioning my old Dremel. This was a Dremel throwback. Even the cold bed sticker approach was Dremel all the way. Yes, you can replace it with a textured PEI build plate as I did, but this shutdown the lidar functionality in case this functionality is something you like. I can live without it, by the way. Why not design something similar to the smooth PEI we get from Prusa? The answer is beyond me. 

- The AMS experience is outstanding, but be prepared to fight for fitness here. Most filament rolls won't fit, so you have to search for multiple solutions, like buying/printing reusable filament spools or becoming the lord of the plastic rings for everything cardboard you may have, etc. Now, please don't take me wrong; as I said, I like the AMS a lot. Even when I'm not printing using multiple materials, it still makes changing from one filament to another extremely easy. 

- Bear in mind, and this is expected with any multi-material; once you print using multiple filaments, speed goes out of the window while laughing at you. 

- This printer seems like it has and uses many sensors to compensate for less precise fabrication. 

- If cloud-based experience is not your thing, Bambu may not be the printer for you. This is a connected experience whether you like it or not. It has its perks, but if connecting to the cloud is not your thing, this printer is not your thing.

- This printer has multiple parts that are considered consumables: Extruder, hot end assemblies, nozzle wiper, filament cutter, etc. Don't be alarmed since the pricing and availability for the original spare parts are very good so far.

- While I have zero regrets about buying this Bambu, I'm still waiting for my Mk4—a handmade printer built and tested for me to provide an experience that should not be underestimated. A feeling that may not be important for most but is very important to me. 

Cheers! 😀 

RE: Prusa MK4 vs Bambu?

Those 2D printers are so last millennium. 🙂

Posted by: @ppespepe

Hello everyone, my first post here, I believe. 

I'm new to Prusa and Bambu and may not be entirely new to 3D printing, but I'm still very much a rookie.

To put my opinion into perspective, I will share some of my 3D printing histories:

My first 3D printer was a Dremel Idea 3D20 in 2015, and I tried to like it, but I just didn't. Maybe the limited build area, the abysmal speed, and the limited compatibility, even though I was using Simplify-3D already, made me almost forget I had a printer.   Fast forward to December 31st, 2022, I bought a Creality S1. I was amazed at how a direct drive extruder was an innovation when I had that in my Dremel mentioned above. The user experience with the Creality was better than that with the Dremel, but only because Software has evolved a lot.

I ordered (and still await) a Prusa MK4 on April 22ndl 22nd because I've heard great things about this company recently. The very next day, I ordered a Prusa Mini to have something to play while waiting for my MK4. Patience has never been my strongest suit. Here is where my real history with 3D printing began. For the first time EVER, I enjoyed the 3D printing experience. This little machine was engaging, had a humble but still proud presence, it was simple but beautiful, but above all, it was designed by somebody who, in my opinion, loved 3D printing. It was simple, honest, precise engineering handmade for me! It worked! and the most important thing for me, I was finally enjoying using 3D printing, which was what this was all about.

It is not my intention to sound cheesy; I've only known Prusa for the last three months, and still, I feel like I've been a loyal user for two decades. The Creality? I tried my best to like the thing. I bought a tablet called Sonic that disabled the printer's display while using something called Klipper, which I later learned was firmware I couldn't care less about. It didn't make the printer any faster, but it gave me a fancy screen and WiFi printing. That was it. The extruder went kaput, so when I returned it, I used that credit to buy an S1 Pro. It was just as sad as the previous one. Two days later, I returned the S1 Pro and bought an unloved Prusa Mini on eBay. I gave it a little love, changed the extruder, and installed a Revo system, and now I had two wonderful printers. 

Now, back to the subject, I'm still waiting for my MK4/Enclosure bundle, but I bought a Bambu Lab Carbon X1 with the AMS, and here are my impressions for anyone who was bored enough to get this far (thank you, by the way). Spoiler alert, it is a very good printer.

- The fact that the filament spool mount and port are at the back is silly. I would not recommend this printer without the AMS to anyone I care about.

- Using Glue with the included build plate for regular non-engineering materials like PLA is plain stupid. This is the reason why I started mentioning my old Dremel. This was a Dremel throwback. Even the cold bed sticker approach was Dremel all the way. Yes, you can replace it with a textured PEI build plate as I did, but this shutdown the lidar functionality in case this functionality is something you like. I can live without it, by the way. Why not design something similar to the smooth PEI we get from Prusa? The answer is beyond me. 

- The AMS experience is outstanding, but be prepared to fight for fitness here. Most filament rolls won't fit, so you have to search for multiple solutions, like buying/printing reusable filament spools or becoming the lord of the plastic rings for everything cardboard you may have, etc. Now, please don't take me wrong; as I said, I like the AMS a lot. Even when I'm not printing using multiple materials, it still makes changing from one filament to another extremely easy. 

- Bear in mind, and this is expected with any multi-material; once you print using multiple filaments, speed goes out of the window while laughing at you. 

- This printer seems like it has and uses many sensors to compensate for less precise fabrication. 

- If cloud-based experience is not your thing, Bambu may not be the printer for you. This is a connected experience whether you like it or not. It has its perks, but if connecting to the cloud is not your thing, this printer is not your thing.

- This printer has multiple parts that are considered consumables: Extruder, hot end assemblies, nozzle wiper, filament cutter, etc. Don't be alarmed since the pricing and availability for the original spare parts are very good so far.

- While I have zero regrets about buying this Bambu, I'm still waiting for my Mk4—a handmade printer built and tested for me to provide an experience that should not be underestimated. A feeling that may not be important for most but is very important to me. 

Cheers! 😀 

RE: Prusa MK4 vs Bambu?

This guy is a hack - "nowhere near the print volume of the PIP or X1c"?  I own them, and 20-30mm is not a huge difference.  

IT IS A GOOD DEAL, but he is over selling it.  I would guess he is reimbursed.

RE:

Yeah, the price cut and especially the availability pushed me over the threshold, cancelled my MK4 kit and ordered a P1P instead
Might sell it and get a MK4 at a later stage but right now there's just too many things unfinished software wise on the Prusa right now
And if my Mini (ordered first day of announcement) is any indicator, it might take a while to get there...

RE: Prusa MK4 vs Bambu?

I may be over-critical of Jesse, but this guy is very anti-Prusa in my book.  He gave a somewhat critical review of the MK3 vs Ender, and we all know what a piece of trash an Ender is.  

My P1P is a good machine.  It is probably worth $599.  This issue I have is how cheaply made it is.  I'm not too fond of heat beds.  It has a magnetic sticker.  I have never been a fan of those.  It has a lot of flimsy parts, and outside of the frame, it feels cheaply made.  

The Mk3S and Mk4 are sturdy even with their 3D-printed parts. 

RE: Prusa MK4 vs Bambu?

Yes. You're being over critical, Prusa fanboy style. Jesse is just giving his opinion which is not. Bambu Lab printers kick Prusa's a...sS. You never mention anything bad about Prusa, even though lately there's a lot to be said. Should we assume you're getting paid too?

Posted by: @cwbullet

I may be over-critical of Jesse, but this guy is very anti-Prusa in my book.  He gave a somewhat critical review of the MK3 vs Ender, and we all know what a piece of trash an Ender is.  

My P1P is a good machine.  It is probably worth $599.  This issue I have is how cheaply made it is.  I'm not too fond of heat beds.  It has a magnetic sticker.  I have never been a fan of those.  It has a lot of flimsy parts, and outside of the frame, it feels cheaply made.  

The Mk3S and Mk4 are sturdy even with their 3D-printed parts. 

RE:

I would not word it that way.  That is insulting and juvenile.  Calling an adult a fanboy is insulting.  Fantic is fine - fanboy is intended as an insult, and you should keep that to yourself.  

I am not reviewing a Prusa, and I am unsure why I owe anyone that, but my head-to-head review thread is coming.  You will see I am brutal when I review things.  

Posted by: @tt-3

Yes. You're being over critical, Prusa fanboy style.

RE:

Please do not start arguing, and refrain from personal insults.  As this is a Prusa Research Official Support Forum it is not the place to be having heated debates about rival companies products to this level.  I would suggest you go to places like Reddit if you wish to continue in this fashion!  Constructive discussions and arguments only please.

RE: Prusa MK4 vs Bambu?

The Bambu Labs printer is not without its faults; for my part, the inability to sort print files on the SD card into folders is one, and the inability to manually choose the order of printing different colours on the same layer when using the AMS is another.  Both issues should be very simple software fixes, both have been raised by multiple people in the feature request logs, and there is no sign of Bambu Labs delivering either fix.  Mechanically, my extruder has jammed four or five times - always using the same filament (I have had no problems with 20+ other rolls) - and clearing an extruder jam is a bit of a pain (given the amount of disassembly required, and the fact that you need to print a special extraction tool [HINT - print one out before you need it, or be prepared to dig out of storage your old 3D printer in an emergency!]. And it is NOISY and hot.  Forget Prusa levels of quiet distraction - mine is like a ruddy jet engine in the corner of the room - a room that is now so noisy (and warm) that it's all but unusable - although its not a room that would get much use anyway.

But that is it.  And the automatic levelling, Z adjust and filament swaps mean that it's a lot less hassle to use than my Prusa Mini.  I can leave it in that room quietly printing away, monitoring it remotely, and about all I ever need to do is to switch the build plate over between jobs, change a filament roll when t runs out, and empty the waste bin fro time to time.

One commentator has pointed out that the fact that the files go to the Cloud (ie Bambu's servers in China) could be an issue, especially for certain customers; but the things I print are not things that the Chinese government would have the slightest interest in.  And the fact that things are proprietary and not open source means that we are very dependant on Bambu Labs both staying in business and supporting the machine over the medium- and long-term.  I don't imagine for one moment that they will be offering upgrade paths to a P2P or X2 in the way that Prusa does.

This isn't really a Prusa Mk4 versus Bambu thing; they are both 3D printers at a similar price point with a similar feature list, but they exist to meet different market demands.  For what I wanted - hassle-free multimaterial printing from a machine that just works - the Bambu is the right solution.  If I was more interested in community support, improvements and upgrades over time, tinkering and upgrading, then I would have chosen the Prusa.  

RE: Prusa MK4 vs Bambu?

Aster the weekend, I can add to this with an Mk4 vs. Bambu list.  I do agree with most.  I have no idea about the MMU3 vs. AWS for multi-material.  I agree if you want multimaterial, I would go with Bambu at the time.  

If we are comparing, I will add to this list one more time I know from my use and assembly.  The Mk4 is easier to swap nozzles.  Bambu is very different, most will just swap out the whole hotend.  That is probabky what I would do with a clog.  

The biggest problem I have had with the Bambu has been prints coming off the bed.  I am not sure why.  It has mostly been with the P1p and with the textrured plate.  It has been with about 5-10% of the prints.  I rarely use a Brim with other prinetrs but I do with my P1P and that fixed it.  

You are right on it being loud.  It is LOUD compared to my minis and Mk3Ss.  I will be putting it in an enclosure and in another room.   

RE: Prusa MK4 vs Bambu?

The relatively cheap cost of the whole hotend assembly - and the ease of swapping that out - means that for me, Bambu wins on this point too - that switching between a 0.4mm and a 0.6mm is now a five-minute task, not a 20-minute one.  Although I haven't used my 0.6mm nozzle -  the machine is so fast (and so trouble-free, unlike my Mini) that I have been happy to stick to the stock hardened steel nozzle!  I might have felt differently if I wanted to use a special nozzle (high-flow, ruby etc).

As for clogs, the only ons I have had have all been down to using PLA silk (and one particular roll), when the slicer was set for standard PLA; and the clogs have all manifested with a jammed extruder.  I haven't needed to clear a nozzle clog at all.

RE: Prusa MK4 vs Bambu?

I agree with the mini, but I was referring to the Mk4.  The Mk4 can be swapped in less than 60 seconds.  Two thumb screws, and it drops out.  The Bambu has no means to replace just the nozzle quickly.  You replace the fan and the works.  You can replace the hot end, but that is more work than the assembly.  

Posted by: @richard-d

The relatively cheap cost of the whole hotend assembly - and the ease of swapping that out - means that for me, Bambu wins on this point too - that switching between a 0.4mm and a 0.6mm is now a five-minute task, not a 20-minute one.  Although I haven't used my 0.6mm nozzle -  the machine is so fast (and so trouble-free, unlike my Mini) that I have been happy to stick to the stock hardened steel nozzle!  I might have felt differently if I wanted to use a special nozzle (high-flow, ruby etc).

As for clogs, the only ons I have had have all been down to using PLA silk (and one particular roll), when the slicer was set for standard PLA; and the clogs have all manifested with a jammed extruder.  I haven't needed to clear a nozzle clog at all.

 

RE: Prusa MK4 vs Bambu?

Posted by: @richard-d

One commentator has pointed out that the fact that the files go to the Cloud (ie Bambu's servers in China) could be an issue, especially for certain customers; but the things I print are not things that the Chinese government would have the slightest interest in.

My first thought is always: Do I trust the company, not the government. They made a decision not to allow local slice/print. Why? Do they want to use it for internal things or maybe selling it to other parties? They could easily open their own "things portal" because they're getting all the things for free and an endless stream of new things.

Some people are working under  NDA, so obviously they can't use this machines. But I'm also wandering why people in europe care about DSGVO and at the same time have no issues to buy bambulabs printer.

RE: Prusa MK4 vs Bambu?

Good point.  

Posted by: @nikolai

 

Posted by: @richard-d

One commentator has pointed out that the fact that the files go to the Cloud (ie Bambu's servers in China) could be an issue, especially for certain customers; but the things I print are not things that the Chinese government would have the slightest interest in.

My first thought is always: Do I trust the company, not the government. They made a decision not to allow local slice/print. Why? Do they want to use it for internal things or maybe selling it to other parties? They could easily open their own "things portal" because they're getting all the things for free and an endless stream of new things.

Some people are working under  NDA, so obviously they can't use this machines. But I'm also wandering why people in europe care about DSGVO and at the same time have no issues to buy bambulabs printer.