Printables - Suggestion Box
Here are a few of my suggestions on how I think Prusa could make Printables better?
Printables needs a Rules page like the one Shane wrote for this forum. How can you enforce the rules if no one knows or understands what the rules are.
You need to print and take pictures of your models.
No AI pictures.
Change the Prusameters system. Instead of giving people Prusameters for downloads change it to Makes.
Let us use our Prusameters at Printed Solid.
Models need at least 1 download per year or it’s deleted.
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Good until the last. Things I need and things I do others might need are pretty obscure. Easy to go a year without a download. In all honesty, I wouldn't bother to contribute many things if I knew they were going to expire.
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Good until the last. Things I need and things I do others might need are pretty obscure. Easy to go a year without a download. In all honesty, I wouldn't bother to contribute many things if I knew they were going to expire.
The problem is how do we get rid of the garbage? Everyday people upload models no one is ever going to download. I understand that the person who made the model is probably proud of it but how long should Printables keep it on their website if no one is downloading it? They can’t keep everything forever.
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Good initiative.
Just a guy with a Core One L on a 3D Journey
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Well, that is a good one. I just select on popularity, so a lot of the slob doesn't reach me.
Just a guy with a Core One L on a 3D Journey
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The problem is how do we get rid of the garbage? They can’t keep everything forever.
"We" don't have to do anything. Prusa can decide how much they are going to keep and for how long. I think you'd be surprised how much they can keep for basically forever. Storage is cheap, distributed cloud storage is even cheaper. And all that data is already labeled for training neural networks, so don't expect them to get rid of any of it. For comparison, YouTube has more video in hours than Earth's remaining lifespan, most of which no one will watch, yet I have no trouble finding what I want. What you are looking for is robust filtering.
I see people complaining about Printables.com occasionally but I've never had a problem using it, and most of what I download is stuff I'm just going to modify anyway.
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The problem is how do we get rid of the garbage? They can’t keep everything forever.
"We" don't have to do anything. Prusa can decide how much they are going to keep and for how long. I think you'd be surprised how much they can keep for basically forever. Storage is cheap, distributed cloud storage is even cheaper. And all that data is already labeled for training neural networks, so don't expect them to get rid of any of it. For comparison, YouTube has more video in hours than Earth's remaining lifespan, most of which no one will watch, yet I have no trouble finding what I want. What you are looking for is robust filtering.
I see people complaining about Printables.com occasionally but I've never had a problem using it, and most of what I download is stuff I'm just going to modify anyway.
Agreed!
Just a guy with a Core One L on a 3D Journey
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The problem is how do we get rid of the garbage? They can’t keep everything forever.
"We" don't have to do anything. Prusa can decide how much they are going to keep and for how long. I think you'd be surprised how much they can keep for basically forever. Storage is cheap, distributed cloud storage is even cheaper. And all that data is already labeled for training neural networks, so don't expect them to get rid of any of it. For comparison, YouTube has more video in hours than Earth's remaining lifespan, most of which no one will watch, yet I have no trouble finding what I want. What you are looking for is robust filtering.
I see people complaining about Printables.com occasionally but I've never had a problem using it, and most of what I download is stuff I'm just going to modify anyway.
I agree with you if Printables wants to keep models on their website that no one is downloading that’s up to them. I was just making a suggestion on how they could remove them if they wanted to.
I’m not complaining about Printables I’m just trying to make it better. Does anyone else have any ideas on how Prusa could make Printables better?
RE: Printables - Suggestion Box
Here are a few of my suggestions on how I think Prusa could make Printables better?
Printables needs a Rules page like the one Shane wrote for this forum. How can you enforce the rules if no one knows or understands what the rules are.
You need to print and take pictures of your models.
No AI pictures.
Change the Prusameters system. Instead of giving people Prusameters for downloads change it to Makes.
Let us use our Prusameters at Printed Solid.
Models need at least 1 download per year or it’s deleted.
Interesting post, as a new guy with years of experience in manufacturing I have some comments:
- Rules can be a good thing as long as they stay away from politics.
- I agree with this, In some cases multiple pictures makes sense.
- Uh, no. First off these day your software may be using AI techniques even if it is a CAD system. Beyond that what do we do with things that are actually AI created and useful? Frankly seeing the difference between the virtual and the real is constructive, thus AI created art work needs ot be supplemented with real photos of actual prints. then you have the reality that AI is just helpful, a recent print at home that was being difficult in OpenSCAD was made simple by AI slapping the designer (me) in the face.
- I know nothing about this, I literally just signed on so.
- Same here, will have to look up Print Solids
- This is perhaps the thing that pissed me off the most. Now realize I'm coming form an industrial background but when it comes to companies to work with and to expect parts support, who do you go with, the company that throws everything out after 20 or the company that can still dig up prints form the 1930's? I've seen companies do this to themselves by "5S'ing" the hell out of the company and then a year later completely redoing a system design because all documentation was thrown out. A one year retirement doesn't even take into account the value of the design, some of which are trivial others that are one off complex solutions. At the vary least we need to have a policy that puts the design owner on notice to see if the item is still worth supporting.
Imagine this you desing a 3D part for a machine with limited distribution. Something that breaks, can be 3D printed and is no longer available, it can easily be another 2 years or even 10 before somebody. needs to print that part. While I understand that there comes a point where things have to go, 1 year for an ongoing account is just too short. Way way to short.
If Prusa is having infrastructure issues I'd suggest buying a new server with far more storage, or an NAS box, as the first step. Then work on a way to compress the data especially for less trafficked area of the site. Take interim measure ot avoid loss of data and then start planning on a more efficient system.
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An improvement I'd suggest is an easy way for Makes to share their print settings or profiles for their printer and filament used to print the design.
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An improvement I'd suggest is an easy way for Makes to share their print settings or profiles for their printer and filament used to print the design.
Would a 3MF file give you the info your looking for?
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I am completely for. And 3MF could be it perhaps but then without any model in it on the bed ..
Is that possible? I dunno... I have seen Json too on github but this was for Bambu
Just a guy with a Core One L on a 3D Journey
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@Spinwizard69 Welcome to the forum.
@Studio-Sagan I reread what you wrote. It got me thinking why would Printables keep 1000’s of models no one is ever going to download on their website? Prusa is a business so you know the bean counters have done a Cost Benefit Analysis. So what’s the benefit? It would be interesting to talk to someone from Printables about this.
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It basically doesn't cost them anything. Like I said, storage is cheap and they already have the infrastructure. For a site of this size, scaling costs likely lean heavily on bandwidth not storage (I bet the entire Printables website uses less than 1TB of space). That said, if for some reason there were so many models that it slowed down the database then yeah they might optimize, but they simply aren't that big a website. Also, speaking as someone who worked in this area, most of the costs of running a site like Printables is legal and administrative, not development and infrastructure. As to why they would keep so many models? Two reasons I can think of off the top of my head. First is to have inventory. It's better to have too many choices and let users filter out what they don't want rather than not enough variety. Second, in the era of neural networks, all those models that don't get downloaded are still (very) valuable training data -- more valuable than the space they take up.