Looks Interesting: Nozzle X  

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The coating and plating may not be as hard as the steel and wear away quickly, so I'd discount the value of coatings.

The nickel plated copper tip I used was ruined after a few hundred grams of glow in the dark filament. Ground away as if filed down. So the nickel they plate with is the soft kind - and after the fact, when I asked, they said it was a soft metal plate, not intended for anything abrasive.

Unless they have specs indicating the nickel plate on this new nozzle is hard nickel (some alloys are as hard as steel), I see no reason to put a soft metal on top a hard metal then coat it with something else that may also be soft - especially when the purpose for hardness is use with abrasive materials.

I'd ask pointed questions before spending money on this nozzle.

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I've also been looking at this nozzle myself, but AFAIK it isn't actually available yet and I haven't seen any 3rd party reviews yet.

So, as far as I'm concerned this is a hopeful wait and see situation. I'd like to get into glow in the dark, and I have a sample of marble fill, but the only nozzle I have is my original 0.4 that came with my MK3. I'm waiting to see if the Nozzle X would make an acceptable daily driver nozzle (because I'm too lazy to swap nozzles because I decide on a whim to print with something abrasive) before I get myself a range of sizes.

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You need to read past the "one nozzle to rule them all" line to determine whether this nozzle will gain you anything. It's really a hardened steel with the same thermal characteristics as any other. The difference is that it's treated to retain hardness at high temps. If you're printing high-temp filled exotics, it may be the best alternative around. It's not a nozzle with the thermal properties of brass, the wear properties of hardened steel and the filament-deterring properties of nickel-coated copper.

It is also coated to reduce filament adhesion, which can be annoying with bare hardened steel. They acknowledge that the coating will wear away at the tip, but the advantage is still provided over the rest of the nozzle. It is warranted against wear to the nozzle itself, but not against abrasion of the coating.

I've purchased 2 (0.60 and 0.80mm) for the coated properties when printing abrasives. They're waiting for me at home today. I'm hoping they make printing with abrasives less messy. I still expect to adjust temps as with hardened steel. I tend to keep a 0.60mm hardened steel nozzle mounted unless doing something specific that requires something else, so these may be my daily drivers going forward.

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[...] The nickel plated copper tip I used was ruined after a few hundred grams of glow in the dark filament. Ground away as if filed down. So the nickel they plate with is the soft kind - and after the fact, when I asked, they said it was a soft metal plate, not intended for anything abrasive. I've not seen E3D advertise the nickel-plated copper nozzles as suitable for abrasives. They're supposed to provide superior thermal characteristics to brass with an anti-stick coating, so are well suited to tricky non-filled filaments.

You might want to check out P3-D's offerings. Their Elite (~$15) brass are supposed to be a bit harder than normal advertising 5X life compared to normal brass. The Apollo (~$19) offer better thermal characteristics like E3-Ds, but are advertised as 6X life. Their Hercules (~$23) are advertised as 20X, but with "better than hardened steel" thermal characteristics but still well below the others. I've got one of the Apollo and it's worked very well for non-filled PETG. They've got a customer testimonial on their site from a guy that was replacing brass nozzles every 750g spool of carbon fibre-filled material who's has 25+Kg printed with a Hercules with no problems. It might be worth checking out P3-D if you're after something in the middle of what E3D offers. They vary in price, but all are well below the Nozzle-X pricing.

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[...] So, as far as I'm concerned this is a hopeful wait and see situation. I'd like to get into glow in the dark, and I have a sample of marble fill, but the only nozzle I have is my original 0.4 that came with my MK3. I'm waiting to see if the Nozzle X would make an acceptable daily driver nozzle (because I'm too lazy to swap nozzles because I decide on a whim to print with something abrasive) before I get myself a range of sizes.It will surely work, but it's real benefit is with speciality high-temp abrasive printing. If you're printing at normal (PLA, PETG, ABS) temps, you're paying a premium, although the anti-stick coating is a bonus.

You might check out P3-D's offerings that I described in my previous post in this thread. They're about half the price of Nozzle-X for their Apollo series which is supposed to be more abrasive-resistant than brass. Their hardened offering is also coated and still cheaper than Nozzle-X.

FYI - Most "marble" PLA is all plastic with no abrasive content. It may vary by brand, but most will print just fine with brass nozzles.

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FedEx is delivering mine on Monday. I can’t wait to try it. I hope PETG blobs don’t stick to it.

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My Nozzle-X just arrived. I too hope it reduced PETG Blobs. Going to install it now and see how it goes.

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Did yours also smell when heated?

PS: The polyphobic coating at the tip did not survive a single carbon filled print.

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Did yours also smell when heated? Yeah it did smell a bit odd, but no worse than the anti-sieze I apply to new nozzles.

PS: The polyphobic coating at the tip did not survive a single carbon filled print.
Well that's disappointing. They do say it'll wear off the tip, but that was fast. Is the coating on the rest of the nozzle helping? I'm hoping this will provide benefits closer to the Pro socks without the potential blobs.

I won't say I've got buyer's remorse, but I read a bit more into the announcement than was there. It's a high-temp coated hardened nozzle. Useful but not something I needed urgently.

In other (less costly) news: Triangle Labs has some nice clone V6 nozzles out on AliExpress that look much better than the dirt-cheap ones. I still prefer E3D Nozzles, but these might be nice for a quick experiment to see what sizes work best.

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They do say it'll wear off the tip, but that was fast. Is the coating on the rest of the nozzle helping?

The tip size and so the print quality is still consistent. You only lose this glossy finish of the top layer.
As far as I can tell, drops and blobs only stick loosely and can easily be wiped off.

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In testing with eSun PETG I needed to bump my print temp by 5-10c else layers were de-laminating. I also just got some Prusa Orange PETG so swapped over to that and did another quick print (visualiser). Looks good and as you can see there was no build up on the nozzle. Next up is a Benchy so we will see how this goes.

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I also noticed the smell (not unpleasant) when heated up for the nozzle install but now it is fine.

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I got some blobs on the nozzle in the Benchy print (so canned it and also slowed it down). The blobs pealed off easily as the nozzle cooled down which is nice.

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So the benchy finished and looked pretty good with no blobs or zits. I put back on the sock but the nozzle looks clean. So I'm pretty happy with the Nozzle X so far .... but you do you to adjust your print settings.

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cool, thanks for posting your experience thus far. It's definitely on my list. I some rolls of ColorFabb Woodfill i'd like to print with, but my lord did it cause a lot o problems after I did a small 1 hr print. Had to do some cold pulls, etc. I know its highly abrasive, so I won't be printing more with it until I get something like the Nozzle X/Hardened steel nozzle.

-b

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I'll install mine tonight and print PETG. I also have a Dyze tungsten carbon nozzle waiting to be played with. Sometimes it's nice to not fiddle and just get some printing done

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I have been experimenting with mine for a couple of days now. My main reason for upgrading was to improve my PETG results. I am getting results similar to what Nathan is describing. With temperatures dialed in to get good results without stringing, I have completely eliminated any burned black blobs from my PETG prints.

This nozzle also has don a great job with PLA and even seems to have improved the quality of flexible material prints.

So far it looks like money well spent...

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I ordered one - let the experimenting begin .

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i ordered 2 months ago ,few days ago it shipped , finally.