RE: Current "stance" on several proposed several US states laws in regards to 3D Printing.
Shane do you think Prusa would be willing to write a letter about 3d printing that we could send to our local politicians?
That's an interesting request, after you stated several times that you are annoyed with foreigners commenting on US politics.
They have a US business presence and US employees. Whoever is running Printed Solid could take the lead there, if they haven't already been involved in contacting legislators over it. Also, it's too bad Prusa doesn't have somebody at HQ who happens to be an American, who is knowledgeable, articulate, and level headed, like for example a forum administrator who has the pulse of what the average user thinks of these laws. Maybe such a person could bridge that gap. 🤣
Well said!!
How can we find this mythical person to help us out of these dark times?? We can only hope and pray to the 3d gods that this hero will somehow read this thread and save us.
RE: Current "stance" on several proposed several US states laws in regards to 3D Printing.
Whoever is running Printed Solid could take the lead there, if they haven't already been involved in contacting legislators over it.
At the moment that person is Josef Prusa.
RE: Current "stance" on several proposed several US states laws in regards to 3D Printing.
Shane do you think Prusa would be willing to write a letter about 3d printing that we could send to our local politicians?
That's an interesting request, after you stated several times that you are annoyed with foreigners commenting on US politics.
Shane asked us to play nice so I will.
You’re a smart guy you already know the difference.
RE: Current "stance" on several proposed several US states laws in regards to 3D Printing.
They have a US business presence and US employees. Whoever is running Printed Solid could take the lead there, if they haven't already been involved in contacting legislators over it. Also, it's too bad Prusa doesn't have somebody at HQ who happens to be an American, who is knowledgeable, articulate, and level headed, like for example a forum administrator who has the pulse of what the average user thinks of these laws. Maybe such a person could bridge that gap. 🤣
1). I printed this out and will frame it and when I am called irrational, or hot tempered, I will point at the the framed image.
2). Some background on myself.
I used to live in Massachusetts WAY back when and in the very early 2000's and when the ACLU sued the state over tattooing and won. It was then left up to the individual towns for the legality of it all. At the time I worked for a tattoo and piercing studio. They worked with a few other shops and created informational packets and would go to MANY town meetings, addressed many counsel members and helped write many of the tattooing laws to protect the public with requiring tattooists and piercers to have anatomy and physiology 1 and 2 college level courses.
One thing was difficult was that each town had their own different rules, laws and regulations and each town's laws had to be written all over again for each town.
While I appreciate the kind words while I walk through the cow pasture, I would have to decline the offer as one thing I would obviously get hammered on right off the bat is 2 things. The first not being back in the states, and the other would be called a plant or something else that the company is backing me.
As I mentioned about each town having different rules and regulations, now imagine that with individual states.
I posted that podcast as there is already so much good information there on what people can do stateside, even those in states where there is no laws regulating 3D printers on the books.
First would be to get organized, reach out to local communities and even maker spaces.
Then start gathering FACTS, no speculations, or anything else. Start organizing them and make sure to list your sources.
Start educating people, and in a way that is understandable to them, as you need to reach people who have 0 clue about 3D printing nor the machines and what is possible and such.
The KEY thing is do everything respectfully and don't get drawn into the hype the counter points.
Get your @#%@#% together and then start inviting state politicians to maker spaces, maker faires or other maker events. Invite them to maker spaces and even contact local news papers and news channels and try to get the word out there as much as possible. Depending on what the proposed law will be it will affect a wide range of industries. Contact those places, universities and schools and get organized, get them involved nad ocntinue as the key thing is to educate people what is factual, actual and possible and not to be swayed over fears.
That is all the advice I can really give on it, and I will leave it at that.
Also, yes I did ask everyone to play nice and I can see that its slowly happening, so please keep it up 🙂
Shane (AKA FromPrusa)
RE: Current "stance" on several proposed several US states laws in regards to 3D Printing.
Shane do you think Prusa would be willing to write a letter about 3d printing that we could send to our local politicians?
As much as I would like to try, there is one question that would come up. Why is a foreign company trying to get involved in US politics?
There are a lot of good local resources out there for this, and a comical thing was when I first responded to this today I remembered the day and time and flipped on 3D Musketeer's podcast and David Tobin (Joel Telling's producer) was on and talking about the recent laws and giving an update. He also gave some really good suggestions on what steps people can do.
I am posting this for informational purposes for the US community members, and I would highly recommend watching / listening to it as I thought it was really useful.
If you want more info as far as what can be done, not just for the states for those who already or trying to pass laws, but for those who haven't. The best is to try and educate people about 3D printing.
https://www.the3dprintingnerd.com/ab2047
David was also talking about Joel releasing a video soon (probably tomorrow) with an update.
I have a request. The next time you give us video homework can you please pick a video that’s not almost 3 hours long. ;-)) I’ve watched about half so far. I’m going to try and watch the rest tonight. It has a lot of good info in it. They even answer one of Shanes questions. If you have the time its worth watching.
RE: Current "stance" on several proposed several US states laws in regards to 3D Printing.
I just wanted to say that this thread shows a reason why I love this forum. It’s one of the few forums I know where
a) even when things get heated, people are able to step back and diffuse them, and
b) the moderators don’t just automatically jump in to either lock things down or delete and ban posts that have the “wrong” opinions.
RE: Current "stance" on several proposed several US states laws in regards to 3D Printing.
I have a request. The next time you give us video homework can you please pick a video that’s not almost 3 hours long. ;-)) I’ve watched about half so far. I’m going to try and watch the rest tonight. It has a lot of good info in it. They even answer one of Shanes questions. If you have the time its worth watching.
I mentioned its a long video 😉 BUT as you saw, it's a lot of very useful info in there 🙂
I just wanted to say that this thread shows a reason why I love this forum. It’s one of the few forums I know where
a) even when things get heated, people are able to step back and diffuse them, and
b) the moderators don’t just automatically jump in to either lock things down or delete and ban posts that have the “wrong” opinions.
This topic is important to the community as a few mentioned, if it happens at one place it could happen at another, and I wanted to try and keep this open as I believe it is important to the community. As long as people can remain civil and respectful, then I have no issues with it.
Now, where is that block button again??? (joke)
Shane (AKA FromPrusa)
RE: Current "stance" on several proposed several US states laws in regards to 3D Printing.
Interesting video by the 3D Printing Nerd. The bottom line: The CA Legislature broke their bill.
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Chuck H
3D Printer Review Blog
RE: Current "stance" on several proposed several US states laws in regards to 3D Printing.
Interesting video by the 3D Printing Nerd. The bottom line: The CA Legislature broke their bill.
But I think you might be missing out on the other half, people were asking for some guidance and directions on what they could do, and the other half of that video talks about what people could do. Even an email was drafted to send to politicians and the only thing you have to do is basically press a button 🙂
I would recommend others watch the video and then decide if you want to help, if you do, then there are a list of things you can do
Shane (AKA FromPrusa)
RE: Current "stance" on several proposed several US states laws in regards to 3D Printing.
Anyone live in CA? Do you think Governor Newsom would vote for this BS? I don’t know a lot about him but hes definitely thinking about running for president so I don’t know if that makes him more or less likely to vote for something like this? My guess would be no but I’m not sure. What do guys think?
So far I haven’t heard anything about IL banning 3D printers. Right now their probably to busy trying to stop the Chicago Bears from moving to Indiana. We’ll see what happens in the next few months. The Governor of IL is also probably running for president.
Found this video of the Governor of NY talking about banning 3D printers.
RE: Current "stance" on several proposed several US states laws in regards to 3D Printing.
They have a US business presence and US employees. Whoever is running Printed Solid could take the lead there, if they haven't already been involved in contacting legislators over it. Also, it's too bad Prusa doesn't have somebody at HQ who happens to be an American, who is knowledgeable, articulate, and level headed, like for example a forum administrator who has the pulse of what the average user thinks of these laws. Maybe such a person could bridge that gap. 🤣
1). I printed this out and will frame it and when I am called irrational, or hot tempered, I will point at the the framed image.
2). Some background on myself.
I used to live in Massachusetts WAY back when and in the very early 2000's and when the ACLU sued the state over tattooing and won. It was then left up to the individual towns for the legality of it all. At the time I worked for a tattoo and piercing studio. They worked with a few other shops and created informational packets and would go to MANY town meetings, addressed many counsel members and helped write many of the tattooing laws to protect the public with requiring tattooists and piercers to have anatomy and physiology 1 and 2 college level courses.
One thing was difficult was that each town had their own different rules, laws and regulations and each town's laws had to be written all over again for each town.
While I appreciate the kind words while I walk through the cow pasture, I would have to decline the offer as one thing I would obviously get hammered on right off the bat is 2 things. The first not being back in the states, and the other would be called a plant or something else that the company is backing me.
As I mentioned about each town having different rules and regulations, now imagine that with individual states.
I posted that podcast as there is already so much good information there on what people can do stateside, even those in states where there is no laws regulating 3D printers on the books.
First would be to get organized, reach out to local communities and even maker spaces.
Then start gathering FACTS, no speculations, or anything else. Start organizing them and make sure to list your sources.
Start educating people, and in a way that is understandable to them, as you need to reach people who have 0 clue about 3D printing nor the machines and what is possible and such.
The KEY thing is do everything respectfully and don't get drawn into the hype the counter points.
Get your @#%@#% together and then start inviting state politicians to maker spaces, maker faires or other maker events. Invite them to maker spaces and even contact local news papers and news channels and try to get the word out there as much as possible. Depending on what the proposed law will be it will affect a wide range of industries. Contact those places, universities and schools and get organized, get them involved nad ocntinue as the key thing is to educate people what is factual, actual and possible and not to be swayed over fears.
That is all the advice I can really give on it, and I will leave it at that.
Also, yes I did ask everyone to play nice and I can see that its slowly happening, so please keep it up 🙂
So am I the only person who wants to know how Shane went from a Tattoo Studio in Massachusetts to working for Prusa in the Czech Republic??
RE: Current "stance" on several proposed several US states laws in regards to 3D Printing.
I agree. A lot of politicians are oblivious the facts about our hobby / trade. It would be good to invite them to learn in anyway we can.
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Chuck H
3D Printer Review Blog
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So am I the only person who wants to know how Shane went from a Tattoo Studio in Massachusetts to working for Prusa in the Czech Republic??
I suppose they are related since both require extruding a colored material onto a surface.
RE: Current "stance" on several proposed several US states laws in regards to 3D Printing.
This stuff looks like it's almost a done deal in New York State. I think there's a company pushing for it with rosy claims about what they can do, but they're really just after lucrative contracts that will go on for years, producing nothing of value.
RE: Current "stance" on several proposed several US states laws in regards to 3D Printing.
Anyway, first the bills have to pass then they will be tied up for years in the courts.
RE: Current "stance" on several proposed several US states laws in regards to 3D Printing.
The more research I do the more 1984 (book/movie) this gets. The only way the Government can make this work is
1) The 3D printer can’t run unless it’s connected to the internet.
2) Your GCode is sent to someone to verify its safe to print. Who pays for this?
How much will this 3D printer tax cost per print?
What happens if you try to make something they say isn’t safe? Will the police show up at your door?
Will we have to have a background check to buy a 3D printer or CNC machine?
This won’t stop at guns. First it’s guns and gun parts then it will be other weapons and you know big corporations are going to want a piece of this. You want to make that cute little toy for your kids, well we own the IP on that so you need to pay us first.
I’ve learned over the years whenever you hear a politician use words like Public Safety, Common Sense, for the children or Nation Security your about to lose a little more of your freedom.
RE: Current "stance" on several proposed several US states laws in regards to 3D Printing.
Appears to be a done deal in New York State now. It seems the first step is to form a group to investigate the feasibility of what they've already written into law. IMO, a weird approach unless the legislation was written by a company or companies for the sole purpose of getting government money. It may go to court, but NYS has passed and upheld a variety of other laws of dubious legality and practicality, sometimes, but not always, firearms related.
RE: Current "stance" on several proposed several US states laws in regards to 3D Printing.
As much as I would like to try, there is one question that would come up. Why is a foreign company trying to get involved in US politics?
Since Prusa purchased Printed Solid, doesn't that make you a US company, at least in part?
RE: Current "stance" on several proposed several US states laws in regards to 3D Printing.
NY may have passed the law, but who is going to claim compliance, and how will it be enforced? I acknowledge that the NY law is a problem but without any kind of practical compliance possibility, it may just exist without effect.
I think the strongest reaction would be for 3D print companies to refuse to do business in NY. That could motivate people to take notice. Let the New Yorkers who are harmed by this law stand up to their local government.
RE: Current "stance" on several proposed several US states laws in regards to 3D Printing.
There is no way to enforce this law if you printer is offline.
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Chuck H
3D Printer Review Blog