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towlerg
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PS Linux version vs Win version run under Wine

Assuming that you can run PS under Wine.

I know nothing about Linux but I'm curious how well running under Wine works?

Posted : 24/09/2022 2:40 pm
cwbullet
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RE: PS Linux version vs Win version run under Wine

My son tried it and said it was kind of clunky.  

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Posted : 29/09/2022 10:46 am
Patrick McNamara
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RE: PS Linux version vs Win version run under Wine

There is a Linux native release of PrusaSlicer ( https://github.com/prusa3d/PrusaSlicer/releases).   Any particular reason you would be using Wine to run the Windows version rather than the native version?

Posted : 29/09/2022 11:55 am
towlerg
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If PS run OK under Wine then Prusa could save some dev effort. It doesn't so it's all moot. Thanks for responding.

Posted : 29/09/2022 2:05 pm
jsw
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RE: PS Linux version vs Win version run under Wine

I regularly use the Linux version of PS on the Linux machine on my desk and the Windoze version on the peecee in the home office.  Ditto for Cura on both machines.

I have yet to find any differences in slicing results.

I suggest that you use the native builds for both OSs unless there is a very specific need to do otherwise.

Posted : 29/09/2022 2:13 pm
Diem
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I've never tried the Windows version, it runs fine on five different Linux distro's here, including Raspberry Pi.  The appimages should run on almost anything.  I see no reason to cripple it with Wine.

Cheerio,

 

Posted : 29/09/2022 11:17 pm
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towlerg
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Topic starter answered:
RE: PS Linux version vs Win version run under Wine

Guys, you kindda missed my point, I was simply asking if PS under Wine would reduce Prusa dev effort and reduce their options (libs available for Win but not Linux), clearly Wine is not an option.

I see no reason to cripple it with Wine.

I had no idea Wine was so bad. I guess that's one more reason not to convert to Linux TIC.

Posted : 30/09/2022 12:17 pm
Diem
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No, wine is excellent, it enables Windows software to run at nearly full speed in a secure userspace.

But if there's a Linux version there is no need to curtail it to Windows constraints.

The dev effort for mainstream Linuxes is usually lower, and by compiling to appimage the same source can be run on almost anything.

There is no sense in running Windows unless someone is paying you to do so.

Cheerio,

Posted : 30/09/2022 2:29 pm
jsw
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I've had a number of native Windows applications fail under Wine.  Mostly graphics-intense items.

In recent years, most successful applications are developed in parallel for the 'Big Three', Windows, Linux, Mac.

I can envision Prusa losing business if they footnote that their primary software 'Works with Linux under Wine.'

Posted : 30/09/2022 2:33 pm
towlerg
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No, wine is excellent, it enables Windows software to run at nearly full speed in a secure userspace.

Oh so not so bad, I obviously need to fire up Ubantu or similar immeadiatly TEFIC.

 

But if there's a Linux version there is no need to curtail it to Windows constraints.

My point exactly, does there need to be a Linux version? Surely anything that allows the reallocation of resources for Prusa must be a good thing for the vast majority (I have no evidence for that, just a gut feeling) of users, those 2000 odd issues again.

 

The dev effort for mainstream Linuxes is usually lower,

Than what? Zero is the lowest amount of dev effort.

 

There is no sense in running Windows unless someone is paying you to do so.

I guess the answer to that is the sketchy results to the efficacy of Wine. I agree that Windows sucks, but I'm sure Linux is not problem free.

 

I can envision Prusa losing business if they footnote that their primary software 'Works with Linux under Wine.'

I wonder how many potential customers would buy an printer from a different supplier because a piece of free software, with widely available equally good alternatives just because they had to run Prusa's version under Wine if they were in the tiny minority of people running Linux.

The latest demand for a Tablet version is a case in point.

 

In recent years, most successful applications are developed in parallel for the 'Big Three', Windows, Linux, Mac.

I can think of a whole bunch of niche apps (and a slicer is the very definition of a niche app) that only run under a single OS.

Any other views out there about Wine? Good, bad, indifferent?

This post was modified 2 months ago by towlerg
Posted : 02/10/2022 12:04 pm
towlerg
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RE: PS Linux version vs Win version run under Wine

I can envision Prusa losing business if they footnote that their primary software 'Works with Linux under Wine.'

I forgot to mention that

a. PS is not their primary software, the forked version of Marlin is.

b. The vast (and that not hyperbole) majority of 3d printer manufactures do not provide any slicer (and commonly not even profiles for 3rd party slicers). It doesn't seem to do their bottom line any harm.

Posted : 02/10/2022 12:44 pm
cwbullet
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RE: PS Linux version vs Win version run under Wine

I do not think Prusa will re;y on Wine, unless it is the white or red kind.  

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Posted : 02/10/2022 12:52 pm
Diem
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RE: PS Linux version vs Win version run under Wine

But if there's a Linux version there is no need to curtail it to Windows constraints.

My point exactly, does there need to be a Linux version? Surely anything that allows the reallocation of resources for Prusa must be a good thing for the vast majority (I have no evidence for that, just a gut feeling) of users, those 2000 odd issues again.

They'd have a much easier time if they dropped Windows support.

Cheerio,

 

Posted : 02/10/2022 3:58 pm
AnnieR
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RE: PS Linux version vs Win version run under Wine

I don't get it. 

Why is there a need to drop support for any platform?

Posted : 02/10/2022 4:14 pm
Diem
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RE: PS Linux version vs Win version run under Wine
Posted by: @annier

I don't get it. 

Why is there a need to drop support for any platform?

There is none.  Modern compilers take care of almost all the important differences.

I'm just responding to a blinkered post by someone who thinks he doesn't use Linux when clearly he does every time he goes on line.  Apparently he prefers to use a proprietory, irregularly updated, bloated OS for which he must pay and then pay again to protect rather than a lean, constantly updated free one that is inherently secure.

Strange choices.

Cheerio,

Posted : 02/10/2022 11:51 pm
jsw
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RE: PS Linux version vs Win version run under Wine
Posted by: @annier

I don't get it. 

Why is there a need to drop support for any platform?

There is not any need to drop anything.  This is not a statement from Prusa but from one user suggesting that it would be 'easier' to support PrusaSlicer by dropping native support for one of the most popular platforms, making users of that platform use a duct-tape and bailing-wire work-around.

Developers who work on any major popular software platform know how to develop their products for the 'Big 3' (Windows, Linux, Mac) in parallel and are accustomed to doing so.  Some add additional platforms, such as the BSD-ish systems to gain more market penetration.

Posted : 03/10/2022 12:24 am
towlerg
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They'd have a much easier time if they dropped Windows support.

Wow

 

I don't get it. 

Why is there a need to drop support for any platform?

Good grief, I'm trying to make a simple point. If Wine works (and that appears to be a contentious issue in its self) why use dev effort and options (not all libs are available in Linux) when that effort could be used making the product better.

 

There is none.  Modern compilers take care of almost all the important differences.

If your assertion is correct then my point collapses like a house of cards but remember this thread started with a question not a statement.

 

I'm just responding to a blinkered post by someone who thinks he doesn't use Linux when clearly he does every time he goes on line

Sorry, you obviously know something I don't. Care to elaborate?

 

Apparently he prefers to use a proprietory, irregularly updated, bloated OS for which he must pay and then pay again to protect rather than a lean, constantly updated free one that is inherently secure.

Strange choices.

I use tons of proprietary software as do you. This is starting to get a bit personal, isn't one allowed to question the god Mr. Torvalds (and I'm not even doing that, I'm questioning the efficacy of Wine)?

 

This is not a statement from Prusa but from one user suggesting that it would be 'easier' to support PrusaSlicer by dropping native support for one of the most popular platforms

Are you seriously sitting there and suggest that some dev effort can be easier than zero effort?

 

making users of that platform use a duct-tape and bailing-wire work-around.

Contrasting views about Wine. I know nothing about Wine which is why I asked the question in the first place.

 

Developers who work on any major popular software platform know how to develop their products for the 'Big 3' (Windows, Linux, Mac) in parallel and are accustomed to doing so. 

I'm sure they do, my question (I repeat my question, I haven't suggested dropping any platform) is, is it necessary in the case of Linux.

 

Some add additional platforms, such as the BSD-ish systems to gain more market penetration.

Wow, imagine the sales that must generate.

This post was modified 2 months ago by towlerg
Posted : 03/10/2022 3:23 pm
towlerg
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RE: PS Linux version vs Win version run under Wine

Just to keep a count, I have 5 apparently Linux user who balk at using Wine (both generally and specifically) and contrasting answers to my original question.

Posted : 03/10/2022 3:28 pm
Neophyl
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RE: PS Linux version vs Win version run under Wine

I'm not weighing in on this rather pointless argument but I will hazard an answer to mr towlerg's question about him using linux without knowing it. 
The vast majority of servers that supply data for what we call the internet run *nix of one sort or another as their backends.  So anytime anyone uses the internet even from a windows machine they are still 'using' linux (for rather broader definitions of 'using').

Prusa will do whatever they want and support whatever they want as a platform.  Not a thing anyone here says or does will have any effect on that.  

Posted : 03/10/2022 3:46 pm
AnnieR
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RE: PS Linux version vs Win version run under Wine

Jeesh!

Posted : 03/10/2022 3:50 pm
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