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You’ll love it over there…helping out the users who can’t get their articulating dragons and other non-functional crap printing correctly 😂
Articulated dragons... Don't get me started... 🤣
Reminds me of when I was younger, my dad bought a Fiat Spider. He tinkered with it a lot and joined a car club where everyone was mechanically inclined. Later he got tired of constantly having to fiddle with it and traded it in for a BMW M3. He joined the BMW club and got tired of every one talking about what bits of chrome or interior accessories to add.
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If life’s taught me one thing, it’s that the grass is always greener on the other side mate.
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If life’s taught me one thing, it’s that the grass is always greener on the other side mate.
I started out by buying a core one about a year or so ago… and it was the first new 3-D printer I had purchased in a long time.
overall I would say it was a pretty good unit and I really did like that printer… but every time I would turn around there will be some small thing that was kind of annoying me.
I then won a 50% off certificate from one of the local vendors and I purchased an H2D. immediately, it became clear that while there were certain things the core one was just really good at the H2D was a much better overall solution an a lot cleaner of a product in general. literally a day and night difference.
in that particular case and that particular time the grass was definitely greener on the other side.
went to one of my buddies houses who has a five tool head XL and the amount of extra work you have to do to get the excel to work just like you wanted to is pretty crazy… on the flipside, enter the H2C, which does not have all the benefits of the XL, but it is pretty darn good.
in this case and at this point in time, I do believe the grass is greener. The ecosystem definitely is more well thought out and they definitely have planned for certain things.
Is it gonna magically transport me to München? no, of course not… But it is going to print things really well and I have thousands of hours on this machine at this point and it’s built to just work.
Don’t get me wrong, I had 1000 so hours on my core one and the only thing that never worked properly with MMU3; which, in fact, was the reason I got rid of the printer - there is no comparison of a core one with an MMU3 to the H2 series printers.
I really want INDX work well… And I really want it to be successful.
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in that particular case and that particular time the grass was definitely greener on the other side.
You've been over on the other side for a while now and it seems you still like the grass there. 😉 That's the most helpful type of assessment, from a user who has seen both products. Thanks!
I really want INDX work well… And I really want it to be successful.
Same here. When the time comes to buy my next printer in a few years, I very much want to still have a choice, and a European contender with a strong offering.
INDX is such a sexy concept, and Bondtech seems to have done a great job polishing it. I really hope Prusa does not butcher it with a careless hardware, firmware and software integration.
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Bondtech has just processed my refund for the INDX down-payment and for Friday's order. That's right, on Sunday night at 9 pm. I continue to be impressed by that little company and hope Prusa does justice to them and their technology.
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Olof on Discord, regarding firmware and slicers when the kits start shipping:
“Slicers already work as-is. At launch there will of course be both firmware and factory Prusa profiles for INDX.”
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A ray of hope.
Fingers crossed there's little to no fcukery involved and it works out of the box 🤞🏻
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I'm still very much on the "fence"... pun very much intended! I'll likely hold out as long as Bondtech will allow me to make my decision. I already get grief from my wife about the amount of time I spend tinkering on the printer already. I really hope we dont have this again... my thoughts are "surely Prusa will have learned at this point"... but I think this is just their business model at this stage. Get something "working" out and let the community polish it, then release updates over years.
Preference is a fully polished version of INDX and no tinkering or work arounds which we likely won't get until early next year. At that point who knows what the competition will have out. I also want to support European countries, particularly with everything that's going on in the world at the moment. But having spent time working with Chinese companies (albeit in a very different industry but still manufacturing) they are very impressive in many ways and particularly at the speed they are able progress. Resources rarely seem to be an issue from my experience, and due to the concentration of expertise in areas they always seem to have quick access to technology or Subject matter experts even if the company doesn't have it internally. From experience in Europe and the US, similar outsourcing can take months if not years due to lack of availability, contracts or most often money. It make's it very hard to compete with and the speed at which a company like Bamboo can design and iterate will be lightening speeds faster compared to Prusa. I just want Prusa to still offer something that gives it an edge even if it's in a niche area
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I'm afraid Prusa are forced to operate the way they do at the moment: They know they are late vs. the Chinese competition. To keep a foot in the door, they have to announce earlier and then ship earlier than desirable from a quality and customer satisfaction perspective. I am pretty sure they are not happy with the situation.
As you wrote, it's hard (or even impossible) to compete with Chinese companies in exactly the same product segment. Economy of scale, lower-cost resources and probably strategic government incentives and subsidies in fields China wants to develop, makes them hard to beat. @hyiger has speculated repeatedly that Prusa may be forced to move upmarket into the professional segment. A field where economy of scale is not so important, and where close interactions with customers matter, maybe even some custom developments, is less attractive for the large Chinese players.
But of course, with the "consumer" printers getting better and better, the "semi-professional" or "entry level professional" segment is coming under pressure as well. For many prototyping applications, a high-end BambuLab printer may be technically good enough. Prusa's increasing spotlight on offline/secure/confidential environments shows that they are looking for additional differentiators in that space. I sincerely hope they find the right niche and can thrive there!
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In case anyone wondered: Olof Ogland from Bondtech confirmed to me max temperature of the nozzle to be 300°c , and max chamber 60°c.
I guess for anyone who hoped to print higher-end filaments, this might be the final nail in the coffin for INDX.
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In case anyone wondered: Olof Ogland from Bondtech confirmed to me max temperature of the nozzle to be 300°c , and max chamber 60°c.
I guess for anyone who hoped to print higher-end filaments, this might be the final nail in the coffin for INDX.
I would argue though that anyone who really needs to print high-end engineering filaments the Core One is the wrong choice regardless. If you really have a need to print PSU or PPA-CF then a better choice is a Qidi Q2 or Bambu H2X. Even with the (much delayed) C1 HT hotend, there is still a problem with the passive heated chamber. The new 6.5.3 firmware makes it worse since the chamber temperature is now forced to cap at 55C. Also to maintain that temperature you have to run a 115-120C bed which causes problems in materials prone to warping.
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I'm leaving this here for the posterity, before the advertisement page is updated.
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Can't edit anymore. 😞Wasn't able to embed the video even using the "Add Media" button... Hopefully I was able to leave the direct link to the gallery.
Looking at this video of what the INDX should have been, I don't think the accessibility is much worse with the "fence" because of the height of the tools and all those PTFE tubes in the way. In any case we couldn't reach the printhead by putting a hand through.
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Tommy has updated the Reddit thread which discusses the limited access to the print area:
Update: No pictures today as I'm waiting for the final design. We will do a more formal update either tomorrow or Wednesday to showcase these parts a bit better
Not sure whether that means that there will be a less obstructive tool dock, or that they intend to convince us of the inner beauty of the fence. 🙄 Stay tuned!
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Looking at this video of what the INDX should have been, I don't think the accessibility is much worse with the "fence" because of the height of the tools and all those PTFE tubes in the way. In any case we couldn't reach the printhead by putting a hand through.
The 8-tool version would have limited access even in the original design, but the original 4-tool version would have left half of the front wide open.
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