Moreover, they are currently preventing people to downloading the latest firmwares for their printers, thus causing people to get antsy and use the Bambu Handy app

Does https://bambulab.com/en/support/firmware-download/h2d not work for you? I just tried, and 1.03 seems to download just fine.

Posted by: @print_fandango-2

rmmmh, I am not sure about this but they have only a few punches left in the prosumer and consumer market if they don't level up quick.

Some things are true, the print quality is some of the best, it can put some predictability in a workflow and it is not a chinese company with ties to a communist government required to comply with intelligence agencies. Not a tin hat moment, just common knowledge.

I like the slicer better. Feels nice to use.

But they truly need to make this indx system the best, it need to handle hotter temp or as hot as 65 degrees FAST and it needs to be enclosed or we are going back. It would be a shame if they do otherwise. I am not interested in printing coloured trinkets. Maybe I am asking too much of this platform and I need to save my $ for an INDX22 v4?

I will start looking for alternatives, I presume bondtech is going to sell this system to another company as well, and it might be to invest in a different printer system, open source maybe? I really do not know but I am not sold on this INDX gen just yet. Looks promising but we will see. I cannot justify buying it unless they really kill it with this release.

100% agree.

What's very interesting about the Bambu ecosystem is just how often they make you agree to their EULA. It's every time you logon to anything of theirs... anything.

Moreover, they are currently preventing people to downloading the latest firmwares for their printers, thus causing people to get antsy and use the Bambu Handy app, which get's really upset when you block functionality in IOS, for example.

I have the printers setup so that they are LAN only and blocked at the boarder firewall.  Huge concerns with IP theft.

Still... they blow the crap out of the Core One when it comes to multimaterial. The issues with the MMU3 and the core one integration were awful by comparison, as was the technical support for it.  For now, the H2C is the go to for multimaterial and a non-industrial printer (don't get me wrong, I have ~2000 hours on the H2D upgraded H2C unit I have , and I had over 1000 on the core one, but I'm not sure I consider the H2C truly industrial.)

INDX has to shine out of the box to be an contender... the growing pains of the Core One need to not happen with the INDX.

Some things are true, the print quality is some of the best, it can put some predictability in a workflow and it is not a chinese company with ties to a communist government required to comply with intelligence agencies. Not a tin hat moment, just common knowledge.

I like the slicer better. Feels nice to use.

But they truly need to make this indx system the best, it need to handle hotter temp or as hot as 65 degrees FAST and it needs to be enclosed or we are going back. It would be a shame if they do otherwise. I am not interested in printing coloured trinkets. Maybe I am asking too much of this platform and I need to save my $ for an INDX22 v4?

I will start looking for alternatives, I presume bondtech is going to sell this system to another company as well, and it might be to invest in a different printer system, open source maybe? I really do not know but I am not sold on this INDX gen just yet. Looks promising but we will see. I cannot justify buying it unless they really kill it with this release.

Posted by: @print_fandango-2

Otherwise Prusa will.be obsolete soon.

They were obsolete the moment they didn't aggressively build out the XL series, went with the MK4 and didn't introduce a consumer grade CoreXY until it was too late. 

So where is the angle here? Where are the gains? 

The only way forward with this system is a properly enclosed unit, that can reach proper temperature  and manage VOCs better while doing multiple materials in multiple colours... enclosed. Otherwise this indx system makes absolutely no sense, turning a good decent enclosed system - that cannot exceed 55degrees - into a very expensive downgrade.

I suspect Core one upgrade to manage high temp soon. Otherwise Prusa will.be obsolete soon.

Posted by: @print_fandango-2

Also, what are the plans to get the enclosure past 60 degrees. We need hotter enclosure for better printing and better materials without adding a blanket to it or modding the printer, you know, for those of us that like our house and do not wish to start a fire in the basement.

The only way to get a chamber above 60° is to buy a H2X or Qidi

Also, what are the plans to get the enclosure past 60 degrees. We need hotter enclosure for better printing and better materials without adding a blanket to it or modding the printer, you know, for those of us that like our house and do not wish to start a fire in the basement.

That isn't related to INDX, right? 

Check out the Core One+ sub-forum here; there are several discussions. Adding a 3rd party chamber heater is an option, but there are concerns whether the components inside the chamber (toolhead motor & electronics, XY motors, belts, camera) would still work reliably at higher temperatures. The most recent firmware actually lowers the temperature limit for the chamber.

This all looks great to me, but how are the planning to enclose this unit? looks like it is completely open on the top.... lots of tubes similar to XL, so....

INDX will get the same black "tank turret" hood as used with the MMU3 option. Prusa has demonstrated this configuration since FormNext last year; there are plenty of pictures around. Ugly as hell, no visibility of the print, no more automated vent control, extra chamber volume for the hot air to move up to -- but it's closed. 

Also, what are the plans to get the enclosure past 60 degrees. We need hotter enclosure for better printing and better materials without adding a blanket to it or modding the printer, you know, for those of us that like our house and do not wish to start a fire in the basement.

Circuits are made from layers of circuit board material bonded together. The woven fiberglass cores get pressed together, with the polyimide layer and some adhesive layers in between. As long as you are not abusive to it, it's held together pretty well at that point. Connectors and traditional flex cables could be a worse choice here just due to safety, possibility of the connector vibrating loose over time, etc. This isn't going anywhere once it's attached.

The engineer in black looked and sounded hung over.