Bondtech INDX on CoreOneL
Conformation that INDX will be on the Core One
https://blog.prusa3d.com/think-big-print-big-introducing-the-prusa-core-one-l_124294/ 
I think 9 tools will fit - but it is not going to be cheap. Base CoreOneL price $1,799 - INDX I think we be at least $700 on top of that - so about $2,500 for a fully populated CoreOneL INDX.
For those that don't need 9 tools - 4 tools for example would I think cost around $2,300.
Speculative pricing comparison by me here.
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On the Snapmaker U1 doesn't the standard model come with 4 tool heads? I don't know... If a 4 head Core One upgrade is cheaper than getting a new U1 then I'll probably hang on to the C1. Otherwise...
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Yes - Snapmaker U1 is only 4 tools as standard - but 8 INDX tools would fit in their place I think.
Although in practice I suspect that Snapmaker will be adding an MMU type add-on at some point when people find 4 colours is not enough - personally I use 11 or 12.
The U1 is in my table twice - once in the INDX section, and lower down in its standard config.
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Why does the product launch only mentions the MMU3?
An XL5 kit is $3k. Assembled is $3800 IIRC. That’s for 5 and probably $1500 less, plus you get the enclosure and heating.
Really want to know the time frame one the Core300 with the INDX. I have a CORE1 and an MMU3 sitting that I haven’t been able to assemble yet. I’d far prefer a Core300INDX. Actually, what I really want is a Core300 that can print PEEK, PEKK, LCP and some other high end engineering polymers.
Who wants to start the order spreadsheet for the new CORE printer…
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Short animation of the CoreOneL with 9 INDX tools on it.
On 17 days to go now until formnext.
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Yes - Snapmaker U1 is only 4 tools as standard - but 8 INDX tools would fit in their place I think.
Although in practice I suspect that Snapmaker will be adding an MMU type add-on at some point when people find 4 colours is not enough - personally I use 11 or 12.
The U1 is in my table twice - once in the INDX section, and lower down in its standard config.
I only care about multi-material printing so, for me, 2 tool heads would be enough. I would probably change my mind and add two more at some point
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To add to this, wondering if Bambu didn’t exist, would Prusa still be making bed slingers. Maybe a MK4S-L? Joking of course but then Prusa seems to be a follower rather than an innovator. Sad.
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Every company gets fat, dumb, and happy when they get far enough ahead of the competition. Otherwise we'd all be cranking our Model Ts and happy with 640Kb of RAM on our $10,000 IBM PCs.
It seems to me the way ahead Prusa is choosing is to become the low-cost competitor in the professional/industrial space. Competing with China on consumer electronics is an almost unwinnable fight because of the cost advantages they have built in at every step of the supply chain. As you move up to prosumer and professional tiers those advantages become less proportionally significant. I see the liquid printing and focus on security as evidence of this.
This makes sense in isolation, though the risk is that whenever you decide you can sell a more expensive product, your costs often have a way of growing into that price. Eventually you end up with a manufacturing sector optimized for producing Pentagon-approved M6 bolts that cost $20 each. Also, you have to actually maintain that quality advantage over the long term and many fail. Western auto manufacturers made the exact same mistake with Geely et. al. that they made a generation ago with Honda and Toyota.
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From the 3D Musketeers C1L unbox live stream chat stream,.
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i think your price calculation is wrong, because you're adding indx without subtracting nextruder stuff, anyway even if its 2.5k i'm preordering the first day it comes out.
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Agreed - I didn't take off cost of the Nextruder - mainly to allow for the likely additional development and ongoing support costs Prusa will likely want to add. The CoreOneL base price is quite high compared to the CoreOne - so I guess there may be some slack in there,
Personally I think I will be going for a CoreOne Indx, rather than CoreOneL mainly for price and upgrade path from previous models reasons.
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Agreed - I didn't take off cost of the Nextruder - mainly to allow for the likely additional development and ongoing support costs Prusa will likely want to add. The CoreOneL base price is quite high compared to the CoreOne - so I guess there may be some slack in there,
Personally I think I will be going for a CoreOne Indx, rather than CoreOneL mainly for price and upgrade path from previous models reasons.
Someone really needs to press Prusa to clarify if these new non-kit models will have a user upgrade path, or will we have to send them in to have them upgraded- specially talking about the INDX system. Hopefully it will be made clear during Formnext or sooner.
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Someone really needs to press Prusa to clarify if these new non-kit models will have a user upgrade path, or will we have to send them in to have them upgraded- specially talking about the INDX system. Hopefully it will be made clear during Formnext or sooner.
Bondtech's whole sales pitch with the INDX is you can (more or less) put them on anything (well CoreXY). I think the demo'd it on a Voron 0? I would be very surprised if there wasn't a way to bolt onto an existing Core One.
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I presume an INDX upgrade kit installation wouldn't involve any messing with mains electrical components - so I guess its possible Prusa will supply a fully supported INDX upgrade kit for the CoreOneL
Does the nextruder on the CoreOne have a usb or cam toolboard - or individual connections?
I wonder how Prusa will handle load sensing, accelerometer and filament runout of CoreOne or CoreOneL INDXs?
as I don't think a direct from bondtech kit will have any of this stuff.
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Someone really needs to press Prusa to clarify if these new non-kit models will have a user upgrade path, or will we have to send them in to have them upgraded- specially talking about the INDX system. Hopefully it will be made clear during Formnext or sooner.
Upgrades have always been available for the ready-made printer variants too; I don't see why the two aspects would need to be linked.
And as David said -- if there is a technical (compliance) reason for not offering the Core One L as a kit, namely the use of mains voltage for the heatbed -- the INDX upgrade would probably not require the user to touch that.
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I wonder if prusa will ever offer a CoreOneL kit with s 24v bed to get round the mains bed issue.
As the price difference between the std CoreOne kit, vs the CoreOneL is quite large for only 50mm more X and 80mm more Y.
For customers who are used to buying kits or upgrades I think this could end up being an issue.
I guess thats something they might consider when they see how popular the CoreOneL ends up being.
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I ordered my CoreOne L on October 31st and just received the shipping confirmation. Thumbs up for the 100% adherence to the announced shipping date — it’s actually the first time Prusa has delivered something exactly on time for me. Hats off, positively surprised. Hopefully things will continue this way with the INDX for both the CoreOne and CoreOne L!
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Yeah I'm still waiting for someone to open up the control box on the L and see if there are any differences. I assumed the L would have the "main cable" with a bunch of individual wires like the CORE One. Good point that the INDX would seem to be expecting different connectivity. Maybe there will have to be an adapter near the buddy board or just a custom version of the toolhead for Prusa.
I presume an INDX upgrade kit installation wouldn't involve any messing with mains electrical components - so I guess its possible Prusa will supply a fully supported INDX upgrade kit for the CoreOneL
Does the nextruder on the CoreOne have a usb or cam toolboard - or individual connections?
I wonder how Prusa will handle load sensing, accelerometer and filament runout of CoreOne or CoreOneL INDXs?
as I don't think a direct from bondtech kit will have any of this stuff.
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My first attempt at a 3d rendering - inspired by the Prusa Launch in the Planetarium.
Best viewed on a VR headset - more to come if the video gets any interest.