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As you can see there is a notch where the extruder gears can grab the filament. This can also be used to get a grip of the filament and pull it out. If the filament runs out mid print, you dock the tool so that the operator can detach the dock and extract the last bit of filament through this notch.
I thought this was obvious? If you forget to notice something, then it is not me who is shooting from the hip.
Where can I see that? And where did you talk about the user grabbing the filament? (You only talked about the filament sensor seeing the filament there.) How wide is that notch and can you really get your fingers in there? How hot is it in that area; do you want to get your fingers in there?
I am not convinced, neither by your argument nor by your style of arguing. But I will check out now, good night.
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Where can I see that? And where did you talk about the user grabbing the filament? (You only talked about the filament sensor seeing the filament there.) How wide is that notch and can you really get your fingers in there? How hot is it in that area; do you want to get your fingers in there?
You are correct that I mainly covered the technical side of detection and filament management, not the operational side in my initial explanation. But if you take a quick look at the available pictures of the tools, then it really should not come as a surprise that what I described is entirely within the realm of what is possible and that, while it is nice to have more filament detectors, it is not an absolute necessity.
But I'll admit that I don't know exactly how IINDX works. I just speculate on the workings based on what I can see in the pictures and videos that have been made available. Perhaps that notch on the top is for something else.
I am not convinced, neither by your argument nor by your style of arguing. But I will check out now, good night.
I wish you a good night as well. 🙂
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I've reviewed some youtube videos on the operation of the INDX. I noticed that there is no filament detection outside of the printhead on the Vorons used for demonstrations. This strengthens my suspicion that the filament detection will indeed reside in the printhead.
RE: newest INDX picture
I've reviewed some youtube videos on the operation of the INDX. I noticed that there is no filament detection outside of the printhead on the Vorons used for demonstrations. This strengthens my suspicion that the filament detection will indeed reside in the printhead.
There's bound to be filament detection inside the toolhead. But how do your suspicions feel regarding the difference in the Kit Comparison on the Bondtech website regarding the filament runout sensor?
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If I understand correctly, once the Founders Edition starts shipping, the INDX kit for the C1 can also be ordered from Bondtech. But what about the corresponding firmware? That would have to be provided by Prusa in time, wouldn't it? Or would that leave us stuck in limbo?
RE: newest INDX picture
If I understand correctly, once the Founders Edition starts shipping, the INDX kit for the C1 can also be ordered from Bondtech. But what about the corresponding firmware? That would have to be provided by Prusa in time, wouldn't it? Or would that leave us stuck in limbo?
You will be able to order a firmware license from Prusa separately, tentatively priced at 198€ (incl. VAT) or $198 (excl. VAT).
Just kidding (I hope).
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If you are right, we are forced to order the INDX kit from Prusa exclusivly!
(Still shocked by @Jürgen)
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I have actually not seen any explicit statement that firmware will be included in the INDX Founders' Edition, or will be available from Prusa in time for the shipments. But I do take that for granted.
RE: newest INDX picture
I have actually not seen any explicit statement that firmware will be included in the INDX Founders' Edition, or will be available from Prusa in time for the shipments. But I do take that for granted.
It goes without saying firmware will be available when the kits start shipping. Some people just love to worry 😂
RE: newest INDX picture
I've reviewed some youtube videos on the operation of the INDX. I noticed that there is no filament detection outside of the printhead on the Vorons used for demonstrations. This strengthens my suspicion that the filament detection will indeed reside in the printhead.
There's bound to be filament detection inside the toolhead. But how do your suspicions feel regarding the difference in the Kit Comparison on the Bondtech website regarding the filament runout sensor?
I'll admit that this dash in the spec sheet surprises me.
I suspect that this difference is mostly there to accommodate the different electronics and will most likely not be because of a different printhead design, given that instead of clipper, the Prusa will work with the xBuddy ecosystem. The re-engineering required to create a different printhead specifically for the Core ONE would be a substantial undertaking and really doesn't make sense to me. So based on that I think it is reasonable to expect that the filament sensing method in the Core ONE printhead will likely be the same as with the open version. It could be that all the open printers will require a ton of sensors, but that would make adaptaion a major headache, as none of the currently available boards have that many headers for sensors available. Also, the formnext demo did not feature any wiring coming from the holders attached to the sides, nor is there a lot of space in those attachment points for four individual filament sensors. While wires can be guided internally, this makes it seem unlikely to me that there is filament sensing in those attachment points. Also, there is absolutely no wiring running to the spool holders or elsewhere to the filament path in the demonstration videos. So there is a lot of conguence there.
Besides that, if you look at the notch in the tools, then you clearly see an opening which could facilitate a sensing device. This opening breaks the filament path restraint, which I think is undesirable and should be avoided if at all possible. Why would you want that for anything else but sensing filament? If I have overlooked something here, please let me know what you think it is for.
If I understand correctly, once the Founders Edition starts shipping, the INDX kit for the C1 can also be ordered from Bondtech. But what about the corresponding firmware? That would have to be provided by Prusa in time, wouldn't it? Or would that leave us stuck in limbo?
My guess is that the software side of things is probably already being worked on, as there was a working demo at Formnext. So then the firmware should be available on day 1. And if filament sensing is singular, then the firmware changes would not have to be that great. Most things could be macros in slicer profiles combined with a bit of borrowing code from the XL for positioning and checking states etc.
There has been a delay and things might have changed in the hardware, but I would be surprised if that would mean custom forks of Klipper etc. During earlier demonstrations with the Vorons Bondtech stated that there was nothing special going on firmware wise and it was all macros that made the tool changing possible. This is conguent with my experience of how things are managed in RRF. And because Klipper is also macro based and has facilities for tool changing, this seems to be the most likely couruse of action to me. So this statement regarding the macros adds to the pool of evidence for me.
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It goes without saying firmware will be available when the kits start shipping. Some people just love to worry 😂
It might be buggy as heck, but it will be available! 😎
RE: newest INDX picture
I have actually not seen any explicit statement that firmware will be included in the INDX Founders' Edition, or will be available from Prusa in time for the shipments. But I do take that for granted.
It goes without saying firmware will be available when the kits start shipping. Some people just love to worry 😂
indeed! Why do you think we haven't seen a single update for the C1 since November? The amount of work needed to bring out the INDX is huge... and the FW is just a piece (a rather essential part) of the whole. One month to go (theoretically)...
RE: newest INDX picture
It goes without saying firmware will be available when the kits start shipping. Some people just love to worry 😂
It might be buggy as heck, but it will be available! 😎
do I feel a slight pessimistic tendency today? 😀 😀 😉
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It might be buggy as heck, but it will be available! 😎
do I feel a slight pessimistic tendency today? 😀 😀 😉
I got my Core One kit delivered on April 3rd last year, one of the first. So I have a rough idea what I signed up for as an early adopter of the INDX upgrade. And I am a sucker for punishment, it seems...
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It might be buggy as heck, but it will be available! 😎
do I feel a slight pessimistic tendency today? 😀 😀 😉
I got my Core One kit delivered on April 3rd last year, one of the first. So I have a rough idea what I signed up for as an early adopter of the INDX upgrade. And I am a sucker for punishment, it seems...
you "first wave" guys did save me a lot of nightmares while building my C1 (it took forever for Prusa rto deliver my kit). I got the founder edition INDX order in as well, looking forward to the "experience" 😀
RE: newest INDX picture
It might be buggy as heck, but it will be available! 😎
do I feel a slight pessimistic tendency today? 😀 😀 😉
I got my Core One kit delivered on April 3rd last year, one of the first. So I have a rough idea what I signed up for as an early adopter of the INDX upgrade. And I am a sucker for punishment, it seems...
you "first wave" guys did save me a lot of nightmares while building my C1 (it took forever for Prusa rto deliver my kit). I got the founder edition INDX order in as well, looking forward to the "experience" 😀
Ill second that on the early adopters of the Core one and for those who added all the comments in the kit assembly guide, including Jurgen. These were invaluable when I started my build in July... that said 6 months on and I still find myself troubleshooting the f**king thing 🤣 The prints have been flawless but still chasing that resonance/vibrations which can be so loud!!
The current view to the right of my desk right now... as i replace the linear bearings and the y stepper after Prusa sent me out new ones.
Needless to say I'm a little apprehensive what what's in store with INDX, but very much hoping the teething will just be the FW and I can avoid any more hardware woes considering the printhead should be preassembled and after that its just some case mods
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If I understand correctly, once the Founders Edition starts shipping, the INDX kit for the C1 can also be ordered from Bondtech. But what about the corresponding firmware? That would have to be provided by Prusa in time, wouldn't it? Or would that leave us stuck in limbo?
I believe during FormNext the Core One INDX was running with only g-code patches and not firmware. I assume though that the firmware will be released before the INDX shows up.
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They should provide us alcohol, weed and painkillers with the INDX Founders Edition 😂
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They should provide us alcohol, weed and painkillers with the INDX Founders Edition 😂
Indica Founders Edition?
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I would not recommend that when building it. Hard to tell what you will find in your shop the next day.
They should provide us alcohol, weed and painkillers with the INDX Founders Edition 😂
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