New Purchases get INDX discount!
Just seen that all new purchases of a Core One+ (assembled or kit) now also get a $100 off voucher for the INDX system! A nice little perk!
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Can't edit above post!! - correction; seems to be assembled version only that gets the voucher...........
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I was thinking of getting a 2nd Core One to use as a high temperature setup once the 400C heat block firmware is available. But I'm not going to take a $300 hit (kit versus assembled) in order to get a $100 discount on an INDX.
It's sad that the L doesn't (and probably won't) ever come in kit form because I like building the printers. Anyway, if there is not 65C active chamber heater solution on the horizon, I might just go for the QIDI Plus4 (which is a lot cheaper and has better specs...)
I have a feeling when the Core Two comes out, it won't be a kit either.
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That's a $100 discount on an undisclosed price, valid when the INDX becomes available via the Prusa store at an undisclosed date, right? Interesting concept, a bit like buying a lottery ticket. I don't think I have seen this approach in any other equipment offer yet.
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I don't remember the pricing exactly. I think it was €499 for 4 heads and €699 for 8 heads? Or something like that. At least that is what BondTech said at FormNext. Wondering if Prusa will brand it and mark it up?
Still getting the kit and not getting the assembled unit would be a better deal than assembled + $100 coupon. Unless you don't want to build the kit.
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I think the pricing announced at Formnext was meant to be a limited introductory offer. Maybe the $100 discount will bring the Prusa price back to the same level?
It would be annoying for those who shelled out a $150 down payment for the "Founders Edition" if Prusa starts selling the INDX at a discount months before the early adopters actually receive their reserved units. Well, there's always the T-shirt...
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Well, there's always the T-shirt...
Don't forget the limited edition plaque! /s
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I don't think the price will be higher when Prusa sells it, and for most users, the $499 (USD) would be the most likely option, with the option of future expansion.
I've also heard good things about he Plus4, but one of the reasons why I chose the Q2 at the office was because they upgraded the bed leveling and added the safety certification.., which the Plus4 doesn't have. If you don't need the larger size, I have been very happy with the Q2 at the office. I don't have it network connected at all though, so I can't speak to the remote capabilities. Maybe someday I'll bring in a router for offline use and connect from an old PC to monitor things from my office. Print quality has been excellent though, and I'd recommend it to anyone looking for a single extruder high temp printer. Just make sure you don't get the cheaper option that doesn't have a heated chamber.
-J
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On a more serious note, I find the INDX discount offer a tricky proposition. "Buy this printer now, knowing full well that you will toss out the Nextruder in just a few months' time!" The money you pay Prusa for the soon-to-be-useless Nextruder is easily more than $100 out of the printer's price.
But of course we don't know whether and when Prusa will offer a "Core One with INDX", without the Nextruder, off the shelf. I think they will, sooner or later, under pressure from the market. And maybe they can make that work financially: Trade $250 to $300 of good-margin revenue (for the Nextruder they make in-house) against $500 to $800 of mediocre-margin revenue (for the INDX they largely just resell).
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I've also heard good things about he Plus4, but one of the reasons why I chose the Q2 at the office was because they upgraded the bed leveling and added the safety certification.., which the Plus4 doesn't have.
Every time I think about getting a Plus4 the Talking Heads song "Burning Down The House" keeps playing in my head
Still wondering what to do with my soon to be unused Nextruder and $500 worth of nozzles...
RE: New Purchases get INDX discount!
On a more serious note, I find the INDX discount offer a tricky proposition. "Buy this printer now, knowing full well that you will toss out the Nextruder in just a few months' time!" The money you pay Prusa for the soon-to-be-useless Nextruder is easily more than $100 out of the printer's price.
But of course we don't know whether and when Prusa will offer a "Core One with INDX", without the Nextruder, off the shelf. I think they will, sooner or later, under pressure from the market. And maybe they can make that work financially: Trade $250 to $300 of good-margin revenue (for the Nextruder they make in-house) against $500 to $800 of mediocre-margin revenue (for the INDX they largely just resell).
That's definitely a concern of mine, and one of the reasons keeping me from placing an order right now. I don't know if I can justify paying for a nextruder that I potentially won't use. If they sell a version that includes INDX and excludes the nextruder, then the choice becomes easier. (The voucher is a nice gesture in that direction, but not available for C1L)
Beyond the obvious benefit of multi-material printing, could anyone tell me what kind of other trade-offs there might be between the nextruder vs INDX? What nextruder features might someone be losing by switching to INDX? And what features might be gained (beyond the obvious multi-materials)? I'm interested in how these perform against each other, aside from the obvious purpose of INDX. Would there be any benefit to sticking with the nextruder instead?
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Only time will tell if this is a concern, especially because of the novel way that the feeder gears engage the filament in the INDX extruder, but I am encouraged by the fact that Bondtech is not some fly-by-night or unproven startup company. They've been doing extruders competitively alongside Prusa and everyone else for a very long time. There will likely be nuanced differences between the two, but I doubt Bondtech is going to put out an extruder that fails to meet the current market standard. With the many iterations they've worked through, I don't believe they would have been afraid to hold off a bit longer if needed. I suspect it will work just fine compared to the nextruder.
-J
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Beyond the obvious benefit of multi-material printing, could anyone tell me what kind of other trade-offs there might be between the nextruder vs INDX? What nextruder features might someone be losing by switching to INDX? And what features might be gained (beyond the obvious multi-materials)? I'm interested in how these perform against each other, aside from the obvious purpose of INDX. Would there be any benefit to sticking with the nextruder instead?
You basically lose high temperature engineering filament capability. Also for filaments that are prone to warping such as ABS, ASA, and PC require a decently warm chamber > 50C. It's still not certain how high the passively heated chamber will reach with the additional chamber volume.
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I question whether they will sell a version with the INDX system pre-installed......I mean, the MMU always came as an additional package and never came pre-installed with any printer.....
Then again, the INDX could be a more complex install then the MMU - and because its a built in system (whereas the MMU was 'hooked on') maybe it'll be easier to package as a complete assembled unit......
RE: New Purchases get INDX discount!
Beyond the obvious benefit of multi-material printing, could anyone tell me what kind of other trade-offs there might be between the nextruder vs INDX? What nextruder features might someone be losing by switching to INDX? And what features might be gained (beyond the obvious multi-materials)? I'm interested in how these perform against each other, aside from the obvious purpose of INDX. Would there be any benefit to sticking with the nextruder instead?
You basically lose high temperature engineering filament capability. Also for filaments that are prone to warping such as ABS, ASA, and PC require a decently warm chamber > 50C. It's still not certain how high the passively heated chamber will reach with the additional chamber volume.
I have some hopes that bondtech will increase the maxtemp after a while, they seemed positive about that in the formnext interview, 300 was just a starting point. Might collide with prusas own HT hotend, so maybe they will limit it. But an increase to 320 or in that area would be great and make a good case for the INDX upgrade even for people not into multi-coloured dragons.
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I question whether they will sell a version with the INDX system pre-installed......I mean, the MMU always came as an additional package and never came pre-installed with any printer.....
But when you add the MMU, you don't make a $250 chunk of hardware obsolete, as you do when replacing the Nextruder you just bought with the INDX extruder.
So I don't think it is comparable. With the MMU, the upgrade-only availability means you have to install it. But with INDX, the cost you have to pay for redundant hardware comes on top.
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Independently from weather kit or preassembled, I don't see much choice other than allowing at order time to select nextruder or indx. Forcing people to buy the nextruder and the indx as extra upgrade (for new machines) is too silly to even think about it. The separate indx upgrade should be meant for C1 and C1L current owners only.
RE: New Purchases get INDX discount!
I question whether they will sell a version with the INDX system pre-installed......I mean, the MMU always came as an additional package and never came pre-installed with any printer.....
But when you add the MMU, you don't make a $250 chunk of hardware obsolete, as you do when replacing the Nextruder you just bought with the INDX extruder.
So I don't think it is comparable. With the MMU, the upgrade-only availability means you have to install it. But with INDX, the cost you have to pay for redundant hardware comes on top.
Yeh good point. I'm guessing Prusa has a plan figured out, or are in the process of, but still leaves us 'early adapters' a bit screwed either way!
Wouldn't it be nice if you could purchase the INDX upgrade via Prusa, with a partial refund applied if you send them back the entire Nextruder toolhead - like a trade in service. The buyer is happy with a slight reduction in price for returning a part they'll likely never touch again, and Prusa can refurbish and resell the part......
Unlikely this would ever happen, but would be nice.......