RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I was also in the same camp - not finding any models I really wanted to print Multi Colour when I first got an MMU2 so I didn't really use it - but once I found something I really wanted print - cruise ships in my case - I've now got a massive pipeline of prints I want to do and the more colours the better.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
So shot in the dark time, how much do people think this is going to set us idiots back ? I reckon £500 ish
Hmm, the basic MMU3 is £358, so if this "MMUx/MMU4" is so much better then, heck £500 seems like a justifiable price. Obviously I'd prefer it was cheaper, but we gotta live in the real world... 🙁
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I love how our current options as core one owners are relatively limited. Yet Prusa tease a leap with a 7 toolhead INDX and still people want more 🤣 I can’t imagine anything will stop people who need extra from attaching a box turtle to each of those 7 tool heads, giving the potential for 28 filaments if needed. Seems like absolute overkill but we all have our workflows I guess
I want a large carousel of nozzles, rotating all around the Core One, with a handover position in the front left. Not less than 32 nozzles please! 😉
The filament rolls would have to follow along, right? To keep them tubes from twisting on each other?
I think Box Turtle or MMU3 with INDX is a fairly valid combination - is that something anyone has ever attempted with the XL - as one of the reasons I never got one (apart from the large cost/additional extruder) was that 5 tools was nowhere near enough for me. The most colours I have gone up to is 11 - and that's on 0.2 and 0.4 nozzles in the same model
Did you do color changes with layer commands to change the color?
On the use scenario, once you have it AND use it, you start to use it all the time. I had a two nozzle Printrbot that I never really used (really was 1 color plus support) but that was two early. My MK3/MMU2 never really worked reliably, so that snake bit me. The XL came out and there were enough models and the slicer settings to make it easier to do it- and the XL just works. Coming from an MMU2, I was skeptical. But damn, it just works. Plus better bed surfaces and better first layer control all came together. Now 90% of my prints are multicolor I design parts in color and materials, though color is far more common.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I want a large carousel of nozzles, rotating all around the Core One, with a handover position in the front left. Not less than 32 nozzles please! 😉
The filament rolls would have to follow along, right? To keep them tubes from twisting on each other?
Oh yes. I want a large carousel! 😜
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
So shot in the dark time, how much do people think this is going to set us idiots back ? I reckon £500 ish
Hmm, the basic MMU3 is £358, so if this "MMUx/MMU4" is so much better then, heck £500 seems like a justifiable price. Obviously I'd prefer it was cheaper, but we gotta live in the real world... 🙁
Well I just picked the number really, but I can't see it being much over £500 if at all.
After all, you can buy a C1 kit for £875 , surely an upgrade to a machine can't really start approaching the cost of the machine new?....can it ?
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My predictions on pricing all in USD without tax , shipping or duty.
Probably the same basic prices in Euros, but probably a bit more tax, less shipping, less duty.
Probably lower base prices in GBP, more tax, less shipping, more duty.
Starting point for calculations
Bondtech printhead - 250
Bondtech passive tools - 35 each
Premium over above base CoreOne Kit or Assembled prices for Prusa dev and support, extra hardware (cooling, spool holders, ptfe, mounting, top hat), minus NexTruder saving - 200
Premium for upgrade kit (no NexTruder saving) - 200
So my prediction of prices is:
Basic upgrade kit, with Bondtech Extruder, 3 Passive Tools (nozzles), 250+3*35+200+200 =755
If bought with CoreOne - premium over current CoreOne Kit or assembled prices 250+3*35+200 =555
Then to get up to a full set of 7 nozzles 4*35 = 140.
Then personally I think I would want the following ultimately
A full set of 0.2, 0.4, 0.6 + 2 spares of each, plus a few 0.4 and 0.6's for dedicated materials, plus a few 0.8s - so about another 30 nozzles over and the basic 3 - 30*35 = 1,050.
Could end up being quite expensive - and looking at this I am glad there is only room for 7 nozzles on a CoreOne....
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
you do color changes with layer commands to change the color?
I haven't actually printed an 11 colour model on a Prusa machine - only on another brand. I haven't used my MK3s, MMU2 or Palette2 for quite a while - but am hoping the CoreOneINDX brings me back.
As the other brand doesn't currently allow mixed 0.2 and 0.4 nozzles in the same print I actually split the print up into about 10 sections - for printing with either one or two 0.2 or 0.4 nozzles. Probably the most in any individual section was about 8 colours.
Ideally though I would like to print the whole model in one part with mixed nozzles.
I have only done mixed 0.2 / 0/4 so far on one model, which hasn't yet been released on Printables - partly due to me wasting too much time looking in to things like the INDX and multi head printers - but if anyone is interested the build log of my first attempt at this model (Queen Mary 2) - at 1:1000 scale is here.
https://modelshipworld.com/topic/38568-queen-mary-2-2004-by-dave-wood-1500-3d-printed-ocean-liner
I did do a much larger (1:250 scale) mixed 0.4 / 0.6 print on a single nozzle printer a while ago too using the same method or breaking up the model - see P&O Arvia on the same site.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I really hope we hear something more concrete soon regarding pricing, kit options , potential release date etc for 2 reasons.
1: I'm like a child and incredibly impatient.
2: This is going to turn into a bit of an arms race. I by no means want Prusa to rush out an unfinished product but there's a lot of appetite for multi tool printers and a lot of potential users (especially those who want the entire printer with toolheads bought in one package) won't sit around and wait...they'll go with whatever option comes first. (I'm talking between Bambu and Prusa)
I watched a YouTube last night where the guy went on the Prusa factory tour in May, and Josef made an appearance during the tour and whilst chatting with the group mentioned he'd just returned from Sweden. No-one read into it and maybe the Sweden trip wasn't related, but Im hoping this agreement with Bondtech and the C1/INDX development is a lot further along than we know.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Bondtech cite Formnext 2025 as the official launch for INDX. Based on that I don’t think there will be much info released between now and November but when that’s on.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Bondtech cite Formnext 2025 as the official launch for INDX. Based on that I don’t think there will be much info released between now and November but when that’s on.
Yeah I doubt we'll hear anything before then, but if that comes and goes without much from Prusa, then we might be in for a long wait.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
@jurgen-7 the music, you forgot the music!!
I love how our current options as core one owners are relatively limited. Yet Prusa tease a leap with a 7 toolhead INDX and still people want more 🤣 I can’t imagine anything will stop people who need extra from attaching a box turtle to each of those 7 tool heads, giving the potential for 28 filaments if needed. Seems like absolute overkill but we all have our workflows I guess
I want a large carousel of nozzles, rotating all around the Core One, with a handover position in the front left. Not less than 32 nozzles please! 😉