RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
To bad..vent control is really useful...
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Well, with the INDX installed in it's default configuration, the entire top of the printer becomes a vent. I saw some sort of metal tank turret covering for it somewhere. I've been printing a lot of PC lately that warps like crazy if the chamber temp is not properly maintained. Remains to be seen how this is going to work when I need a 55+ chamber temp.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
To bad..vent control is really useful...
Let's see what the solution for an INDX top lid looks like. If it's similar to the MMU3 lid, the vent grille will be on the front of the elevated hood. A longer lever on the print head could reach it there in principle, but it would collide with the PTFE tubes of the parked nozzles.
Maybe a long lever can be attached to the grille, which reaches down closer to the print head on the far left or right side of the printable area? To be seen when we have the INDX upgrade in hand. Or maybe Prusa will already come up with a "Core One ++" package in the meantime?
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I saw some sort of metal tank turret covering for it somewhere.
I believe that was essentially the hood for the MMU3-upgraded Core One. Have only seen that one in pictures, but I think it is not metal but vacuformed plastic. But it sure looks like a tank and triggers "heavy metal" associations...
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
They won’t be winning any design awards with that turret 😂 snapmakers u1 lid isn’t much better but because it’s clear plastic it is easier on the eyes. Also has a built in vent and charcoal filtration unit.
Im assuming the founders indx package will come with a lid… also printing mostly PC blend, so would be a bit pissed if Prusa don’t have the enclosed aspect of this down prior to launch
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Im assuming the founders indx package will come with a lid…
The spec table at https://www.bondtech.se/indx-by-bondtech/ is ominously silent about that. So I am not banking on getting a lid. Might be an optional upgrade part from Prusa, or an opportunity for the community or a 3rd party shop to come up with something nicer.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I already have the lid, because of the mmu3. I think its in the box, because its a very cheap part. I think this lid was designed in consideration of the indx upgrade from the beginning.
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I'm still going to get the INDX, but now I'm debating if I even want it because it closes the door on a lot of HT engineering filaments. I'm currently using PC/HIPS and ASA/PVA for various projects (and manually swapping which is an extreme PITA). Both of these setups require an enclosed heated chamber. The H2D is becoming more attractive by the minute. But maybe I'll wait for a dual Nextruder mod for a Core One L...
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Both of these setups require an enclosed heated chamber.
At least the "turret" lid will be available, I think, maybe at some extra cost. (Can't be that expensive -- the MMU3 cover costs $34 as a spare part.) It may need an additional active heater to boost the chamber temperature due to the extra volume. But given how serious you are about the stronger, high temperature filaments, that might be a good investment anyway?
There is an opportunity for Prusa to launch a combined chamber heater + recirculating filter as an upgrade. It could go into the left side pocket (or on the inside of a flat left side cover). And of course it should be fully controlled by the xBuddy board and firmware, differentiating it from other 3rd party heater options.
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At least the "turret" lid will be available, I think, maybe at some extra cost. (Can't be that expensive -- the MMU3 cover costs $34 as a spare part.) It may need an additional active heater to boost the chamber temperature due to the extra volume. But given how serious you are about the stronger, high temperature filaments, that might be a good investment anyway?
There is an opportunity for Prusa to launch a combined chamber heater + recirculating filter as an upgrade. It could go into the left side pocket (or on the inside of a flat left side cover). And of course it should be fully controlled by the xBuddy board and firmware, differentiating it from other 3rd party heater options.
My ideal dream printer right now? A dual Nextruder Core One L with a 65C active chamber heater and 450C hotend. I need to do something with my soon to be unused Nextruder.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
There really isn't any difference now between the C1 and C1+ except a bit of plastic and a sticker. In fact, not only will the C1+ mods need to be removed entirely but the Nextruder will need to be removed as well.
Yes I've never even considered it, completely pointless.
Someone on Reddit contacted Bondtech regarding Indx :
Hi Dwiea, Soon we'll call on our Founder's Edition customers to complete their orders. Then you will be able to define the number of tools and their diameters. And also to choose the size for the INDX t-shirt.
The available bore diameters so far are : 0.2, 0.4, 0.5, 0.6, 0.8, and 1.0mm.
Other than late Q1, we don't have a definitive date for shipping.
I'm gonna go for 8 I think, not sure how many of each ones. Any suggestions?
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
The available bore diameters so far are : 0.2, 0.4, 0.5, 0.6, 0.8, and 1.0mm.
Requoting a quote here. But I can imagine that the 0.25 mm will be sorely missed:
At least with stock core one I feel I'm pushing it (disregarding PLA, it's useless for me) and moving from 0.25 mm to 0.2 mm reduces nozzle area to 64 %.
If it still works reliably in more difficult materials - awesome, removing the purge process in INDX will make up for the lost speed.
But, if it doesn't, going up to 0.4 mm nozzle is just not an option for me (other than functional parts that no one ever looks at), it's just too ugly - color or not. That would be a real post-sales showstopper for me. Risky.
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Very interesting question that raise more ones:
Seem nozzle diameters are asked, I wonder if the nozzle is removable from the single "head", thus interchangeable.
This has important consequences, if for instance a nozzle is clogged and completely unusable.
Other question: should all the diameter be the same for all 8 heads?
Depending on the answers I would consider buying upgrade differently, even if I am waiting some quarters to make sure every basic technology aspects is derisked.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I am pretty sure I will end up with more than 4 nozzles eventually, but nevertheless plan to get the "4-channel" INDX configuration.
I trust that it will be easy enough to swap a nozzle -- i.e. connect it to the PTFE tube and place it in the dock -- and don't see myself doing this all that often. I don't have the room for eight spools (in dry boxes or dryers) next to the printer anyway, and prefer to have at least a small viewing window to see my print in progress.
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I plan to purchase an actual Core One with the bondtech components when they are finally available.
I have to agree that the whole lack of a compact material storage system with humidity control is a detractor for the Core series of printers. Additionally, the bolting of filament dry boxes to the side of the printer just makes the thing huge.
The AMS solution from Bambu is far more what’s needed… in so far as compact conditioned storage.
(I did spend the weekend upgrading the H2D to an H2C and it just works. …and the P2S is basically a Core One if you need is PLA/PETG/ASA/ABS… so that’s a workable Core One replacement until INDX comes out and matures. My entire reason for ditching the Core One was the horrible experience with the MMU and the neutering the printer to only PLA/PETG with the MMU3 - not to mention it’s flakiness)
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I have to agree that the whole lack of a compact material storage system with humidity control is a detractor for the Core series of printers. Additionally, the bolting of filament dry boxes to the side of the printer just makes the thing huge.
The AMS solution from Bambu is far more what’s needed… in so far as compact conditioned storage.
Unfortunately the arced PTFE tubes required by the INDX approach will prevent us from putting anything like an AMS directly on top of the printer. Even with a flat, raised top cover, I would not feel comfortable placing a few kg of filament on top of that -- seems too top-heavy for my taste.
On the positive side, the external "filament station" does not need any actively driven mechanism or communication with the printer; just a drybox or dryer will do. I hope that my idea of putting a four-spool dryer (Creality SpacePi X4?) on a shelf above the printer will pan out. It may require some tinkering with the filament path on the printer -- entry points, location of filament sensors? I am keen to see the standard integration provided by Prusa/Bondtech.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I have to agree that the whole lack of a compact material storage system with humidity control is a detractor for the Core series of printers. Additionally, the bolting of filament dry boxes to the side of the printer just makes the thing huge.
The AMS solution from Bambu is far more what’s needed… in so far as compact conditioned storage.
Unfortunately the arced PTFE tubes required by the INDX approach will prevent us from putting anything like an AMS directly on top of the printer. Even with a flat, raised top cover, I would not feel comfortable placing a few kg of filament on top of that -- seems too top-heavy for my taste.
On the positive side, the external "filament station" does not need any actively driven mechanism or communication with the printer; just a drybox or dryer will do. I hope that my idea of putting a four-spool dryer (Creality SpacePi X4?) on a shelf above the printer will pan out. It may require some tinkering with the filament path on the printer -- entry points, location of filament sensors? I am keen to see the standard integration provided by Prusa/Bondtech.
It's funny you say that, because I did purchase two Creality SpacePi X4s in anticipation of the INDX... but you still need the space for them. If there was something like CoreBoxx that was sealed with humidity control and top of printer, that would make life alot easier.
The guy I sold the Core One to is enjoying it as a single filament printer.
I'm enjoying that all of my basic parts are compatible between my two printers.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Even with a flat, raised top cover, I would not feel comfortable placing a few kg of filament on top of that -- seems too top-heavy for my taste.
The vacuum-formed MMU enclosure may even have some load-bearing capabilities, no matter the cringe factor. I keep two packs of floor tiles (just checked - 20.3 kg) stacked permanently on the printer, for months, to take some uncertainty out of the equation and crank up gyroid infill to 300 % speed. Eastern European engineering at its best...
Keeping filament dry and paths short / low friction directly translate into print quality. The engineering aesthetics audit, secondary - I'd find some way to handle 🙂
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I did keep the 25 mm steel plate that I had the core one on… not as cool as floor tile tiles, but it made a pretty good base to put the printer on and kept it from vibrating or shaking as much.
I found that between that and using the accelerometer, printer tended to print really well.
the only complaint I ever had was more of the multimaterial aspect of it… which will be made OBE by the INDX.
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I'm currently assembling the INBXX which is the CoreBoxx modified to work with the INDX (hopefully). It will sit under the printer. Originally I convinced myself I wanted the 8 toolhead but now that's mostly due to FOMO. So I will be getting the 4. I don't print PLA, don't care about multi-color and if Prusa had come out with an IDEX system I would have been happy with that and never considered the INDX.
As for nozzles, I mostly use 4 and 6 and rarely an 8. So I'd probably do a .4,.4,.6,.8 setup or maybe 4,4,6,6. Again, since I don't print PLA, I'm not sure what I'd need a .2 for and the 1 is just too large to be practical (except foaming TPU maybe).
The only other stress point for me is which size t-shirt to get.