RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I hope you are right.
I am so glad I did not preorder this. I just noticed that it uses a Pinda probe. That is a huge step back in technology.
I have seen several comments that the production version for the Core One will use a load cell. (Based on statements apparently made in the live stream, which I did not watch.)
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Chuck H
3D Printer Review Blog
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Also confirmed by Prusa employee on Reddit (nozzle tapping with load cell).
I hope you are right.
I am so glad I did not preorder this. I just noticed that it uses a Pinda probe. That is a huge step back in technology.
I have seen several comments that the production version for the Core One will use a load cell. (Based on statements apparently made in the live stream, which I did not watch.)
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
from the pre-order page at BT
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Thanks. Still glad I waited.
Also confirmed by Prusa employee on Reddit (nozzle tapping with load cell).
I hope you are right.
I am so glad I did not preorder this. I just noticed that it uses a Pinda probe. That is a huge step back in technology.
I have seen several comments that the production version for the Core One will use a load cell. (Based on statements apparently made in the live stream, which I did not watch.)
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Chuck H
3D Printer Review Blog
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
4-tool is what I'm seeking for INDX.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
4-tool is what I'm seeking for INDX.
The hard part is getting enough dry boxes for that. I like CoreBoxx, but there is an issue with keeping filament dry. INDX will solve some of that with dry boxes based on the pictures.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Seems like you should be able to use one of any number of dry boxes on the market that allow printing through. Which reminds me it will be a bit of a pain to load each nozzle (switching out 4-8 filaments for a special print) but that's the drawback among a whole lot of benefits.
4-tool is what I'm seeking for INDX.
The hard part is getting enough dry boxes for that. I like CoreBoxx, but there is an issue with keeping filament dry. INDX will solve some of that with dry boxes based on the pictures.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Any idea what the dry box system that was on the display machine from the videos today are? I kinda like those, and it looked like there was a way to mount them directly to the core one….
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Prusa USS Drybox
Any idea what the dry box system that was on the display machine from the videos today are? I kinda like those, and it looked like there was a way to mount them directly to the core one….
Probably these? Prusa USS Drybox
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Yes. Good box to keep it dry, but it will do limited drying/.
Prusa USS Drybox
Any idea what the dry box system that was on the display machine from the videos today are? I kinda like those, and it looked like there was a way to mount them directly to the core one….
Probably these? Prusa USS Drybox
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Chuck H
3D Printer Review Blog
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Maybe they'll do it like the Nextruder does it at the end of a print and pull out the filament, when putting the nozzle back on the rack.
That way, you could simply pull out the filament through the PTFE tube, push the new filament into the nozzle and the extruder will grab the filament and push it into the nozzle, when grabbing the nozzle.
Or maybe there will be a "switch all filaments" option.
Seems like you should be able to use one of any number of dry boxes on the market that allow printing through. Which reminds me it will be a bit of a pain to load each nozzle (switching out 4-8 filaments for a special print) but that's the drawback among a whole lot of benefits.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Its 28.5ish in total on the Y that INDX needs to pick and up drop off tools - so if the C1 has 18 spare at the front it will only take 10.5.
Also you don't have to have tools all the way across the front - so long thin diagonal objects can still be printed using the full Y if one side is left free.
Thanks. I also came across the quote from Bondtech in one of the introductory videos now: "28.5 mm depth are required; if there is some overtravel in your printer, that gets deducted from that." So that's good, a 10 mm loss of print area seems reasonable.
Whether the front right area can be used for printing in a 4-toolhead system will depend on what the slicer allows. Can PrusaSlicer handle non-rectangular printable areas already?
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Has it been documented how the INDX toolhead, when adapted to the Core One, handles cooling of the printed part and of the heatbreak?
For part cooling, Bondtech's specification table for the Core One version states "stock single 5020 fan". I understand that to mean that the existing Nextruder fan (which is 50 mm diameter, 20 mm thick) will be re-used. But it will most likely require a different shroud to direct the airflow. Have any pictures been published? Can we expect a similar (near-) 360° cooling solution as in the Nextruder, and hence similar overhang performance?
To cool the heatbreak, is there a dedicated fan in the toolhead? I see the little cooling fins (assuming that's what they are?) on the nozzle. But when the nozzle is docked in the toolhead, they seem to sit encapsulated inside the head. So where does the heat go?
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Has it been documented how the INDX toolhead, when adapted to the Core One, handles cooling of the printed part and of the heatbreak?
For part cooling, Bondtech's specification table for the Core One version states "stock single 5020 fan". I understand that to mean that the existing Nextruder fan (which is 50 mm diameter, 20 mm thick) will be re-used. But it will most likely require a different shroud to direct the airflow. Have any pictures been published? Can we expect a similar (near-) 360° cooling solution as in the Nextruder, and hence similar overhang performance?
To cool the heatbreak, is there a dedicated fan in the toolhead? I see the little cooling fins (assuming that's what they are?) on the nozzle. But when the nozzle is docked in the toolhead, they seem to sit encapsulated inside the head. So where does the heat go?
I saw a video yesterday which showed the INDX printing from the rear, the part cooling fan/duct looks very similar to the stock C1 fan/duct...obviously it might be slightly modified, you couldn't see too much of it in any great detail. Ive tried looking for the video but I watched so many videos yesterday on various platforms so I have no idea where I saw that.
They keep saying how the new nozzles are almost massless, so maybe the heatbreak cooling is handled differently. Would be pretty wild if it's done passively.
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I might even opt in to the INDX owner crowd. I rarely even do two colors, but there are some things I'd probably print if I had the capability without all the waste the MMU causes.
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Its 28.5ish in total on the Y that INDX needs to pick and up drop off tools - so if the C1 has 18 spare at the front it will only take 10.5.
Also you don't have to have tools all the way across the front - so long thin diagonal objects can still be printed using the full Y if one side is left free.
Thanks. I also came across the quote from Bondtech in one of the introductory videos now: "28.5 mm depth are required; if there is some overtravel in your printer, that gets deducted from that." So that's good, a 10 mm loss of print area seems reasonable.
Whether the front right area can be used for printing in a 4-toolhead system will depend on what the slicer allows. Can PrusaSlicer handle non-rectangular printable areas already?
That does assume 18mm available at the front - from the unboxing videos I have seen of the C1L - sounds like there is only about 8mm available on that model - but maybe there is more on the C1.
The print heads are ok to overlap the bed a little - because this rise up 2 or 3 mm's as part of the undocking process.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
When using 3D print for technical parts (not flame spitting dragons... ) I think 4 heads are enough.
Using a spare head for support filament, using 2 heads for automated spool changing, and of course multimaterial (flex/other).
8 heads should be enough for true multicolor, in fact more than XL.
Size will make difference, in this respect CORE ONE L will do the job.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I'll repeat myself here, from a design perspective the only thing about the INDX system I'm not thrilled about so far is the weird lid thing. Hopefully that design isn't set in stone and something else can be done, it doesn't even have to be complex just something clear and a bit more subtle than that black boxy thing will do.
All other aspects I'm pleased with.
It was never going to be dirt cheap, so I think they've done ok by offering 4 and 8 tool options without scaring anyone off with pricing.
The printing area loss was always going to happen, so I think what we'll lose is acceptable.
Wasn't expecting flow rate increases so very happy with that.
The dynamic extruder sounds like it will solve a lot of the loading issues many had with soft filaments.
My current dry box/storage solution will fit in quite well...I do like those new Prusa dry boxes, but I'm not shelling out for 4/6/8 of them.
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Rough landed prices estimates based on doing some sample orders of other Bondtech products.
Assuming VAT at 20% or EU->US Tariff at 15% -
Some of these will be charged by Bondtech and some locally, plus there might be a few other taxes.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
That does assume 18mm available at the front - from the unboxing videos I have seen of the C1L - sounds like there is only about 8mm available on that model - but maybe there is more on the C1.
Yes, the Core One can move to -18 mm in Y without touching the end stop, while the (standard) printable area ends at 0 mm. That extra space is guaranteed in all units, since it is determined by firmware -- the homing procedure defines "0 mm" to be that far away from the physical end stop.