RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
So you expect the consumer to be willing to pay extra money just for a prusa logo on the INDX? With the hardware staying exactly the same that's literally worth nothing at all.
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So you expect the consumer to be willing to pay extra money just for a prusa logo on the INDX? With the hardware staying exactly the same that's literally worth nothing at all.
Just two days ago he was telling everyone how INDX on the Core One wasn't going to happen 😂
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
As long as money is concerned, Prusa can sell under his own brand and pay fees to Bondtech.
Not necessarily. I am pretty sure Bondtech will want the visibility for their own brand.
But that can be arranged, and I am sure the companies have already found a mutually agreeable solution. It might be something like "Bondtech INDX inside", or the current co-branding of "E3D Prusa nozzles".
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
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from Bondtech website
Probably been asked/answered, but the nozzles are they hardened as standard? If not any idea on prices for hardened nozzles?
They are made of steel. (Which is beneficial for inductive heating due to its ferromagnetic properties -- the material also get heated via magnetic losses when exposed to an alternating electromagnetic field). Hence much tougher than brass. But no additional extra-hard coating is offered at this time, to my knowledge.
So can I print abrasives then ?
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
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Does that really refer to the INDX nozzles? Bondtech's "Core Heating Technology", if I understand it correctly, means using an internal steel tube for toughness, surrounded by copper (or brass?) for even heating. That does not seem to make sense for inductively heated tubes, where the steel is what gets actively heated most efficiently.
Would you have a link to the page where you found the quote?
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
https://www.bondtech.se/indx-by-bondtech/pre-order/
its on the preorder page under specifications
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
https://www.bondtech.se/indx-by-bondtech/pre-order/
its on the preorder page under specifications
Thanks!
I guess I don't understand what "CHT" actually means. I have found pure brass nozzles with some coating under the same designation as well now. Is CHT = Core Heating Technology just marketing blurb, or does it describe a specific technical feature?
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
CHT is a high flow nozzle
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
https://www.bondtech.se/indx-by-bondtech/pre-order/
its on the preorder page under specifications
Thanks!
I guess I don't understand what "CHT" actually means. I have found pure brass nozzles with some coating under the same designation as well now. Is CHT = Core Heating Technology just marketing blurb, or does it describe a specific technical feature?
Doesn't CHT refer to the geometry of the nozzle ? That's what I thought.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
CHT is a high flow nozzle
So it seems "CHT" really refers to the channel and inlet geometry only, not the material. In which case it's just the "hardened" in the "hardened with CHT" spec which is relevant here? Which presumably means "hardened steel" -- which in turn means heat-treated, rather than coated in some way.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
It does, I guess "Core Heating Technology" just happens to also be a way they could describe the INDX if they hadn't already used it to describe the filament splitting stuff in their nozzles.
During the interview with Grant and Olaf, Olaf said something to the effect of yeah, it has our CHT tech in the nozzles, so 40 mm/s flow rate is possible (paraphrase from hell, but along those lines). Which also reiterates that an INDX upgrade could be a significant upgrade in some ways even if you only use 1 tool...
https://www.bondtech.se/indx-by-bondtech/pre-order/
its on the preorder page under specifications
Thanks!
I guess I don't understand what "CHT" actually means. I have found pure brass nozzles with some coating under the same designation as well now. Is CHT = Core Heating Technology just marketing blurb, or does it describe a specific technical feature?
Doesn't CHT refer to the geometry of the nozzle ? That's what I thought.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
No I expect to have one supplier that takes responsibility of the entire solution.
Prusa is willing to compete with BL and this is a breakthrough.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
That's what is happening, as Prusa will provide support for this kit, officially. Software-wise themselves and as a hardware supplier also in collaboration with Bondtech.
No I expect to have one supplier that takes responsibility of the entire solution.
Prusa is willing to compete with BL and this is a breakthrough.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
The Prusa blog post says they will sell it in the Prusa web shop in stage two. It didnt seem like it would be possible to buy a C1 with it already assembled by the live chat, but if enough people want it that might change, seems quite popular since they sold out the first batch quickly. Compared to whats on the market this system do seem really well thought through, simple, fast and not to expensive. My conclusion from the live video though was that it was surprising amount of stuff that wasnt finalised yet, which is interesting considering how close to production it is, i would expect them to "field test" the serial design parts by now. I hope they keep pushing the nozzle temps as they said, could be an excellent upgrade if that is sorted !
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
The nozzle itself will be a hardened steel CHT (high-flow multi-channel core) non bi-metal nozzle without any coating. They might introduce coated nozzles (more like DLC) in the future.
The induction heating kind of limits things though, but I think E3D and Bondtech or even Diamondback will figure out something what they can sell 🙂
All-in-all the pure hardened steel is kind of a question mark in conjunction with the new heating, if it needs any compensation, or does a diamond tip and it's heat conductivity gains anything in terms of print quality.
Also the non-coated steel nozzle means that it will be a bit of a throw-away consumable if somebody prints abrasive filaments non-stop, as it will eventually wear down. Also in the future, if there will be any release by diamondback for example, filling up the 8 toolslots with 100-150 EUR nozzles is again quite an expense 😀
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Gustav from Bondtech said hardened options will be available for those of us (like myself) who pre-ordered.
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
Gustav from Bondtech said hardened options will be available for those of us (like myself) who pre-ordered.
It would be very odd for them not to imo.
All manufacturers should have hardened steel offerings from the outset as standard, but then that doesn't make them or third parties money when a consumable item lasts 3 times as long when printing just PLA.
Exciting times ahead though, just wondering if I can buy another core one minus the nextruder so I can port the one I have over to it 😀
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I am so glad I did not preorder this. I just noticed that it uses a Pinda probe. That is a huge step back in technology.
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Chuck H
3D Printer Review Blog
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I am so glad I did not preorder this. I just noticed that it uses a Pinda probe. That is a huge step back in technology.
I have seen several comments that the production version for the Core One will use a load cell. (Based on statements apparently made in the live stream, which I did not watch.)
RE: INDX is coming for CoreOne?
I hope you are right.
I am so glad I did not preorder this. I just noticed that it uses a Pinda probe. That is a huge step back in technology.
I have seen several comments that the production version for the Core One will use a load cell. (Based on statements apparently made in the live stream, which I did not watch.)
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Chuck H
3D Printer Review Blog